Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
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Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#2Could data become part of UNESCO's world heritage? Nowadays alot of culture happens in the digital space and it's always a tragedy when huge amounts of cultural creations just vanish into nothing. Web archives are perhaps not enough, lots of content are inside walled gardens, convincing a company to release all that information is a different question of course :)
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#3Could data become part of UNESCO's world heritage? Nowadays alot of culture happens in the digital space and it's always a tragedy when huge amounts of cultural creations just vanish into nothing. Web archives are perhaps not enough, lots of content are inside walled gardens, convincing a company to release all that information is a different question of course :)
I love archive.org, so.. so much.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#4Could data become part of UNESCO's world heritage? Nowadays alot of culture happens in the digital space and it's always a tragedy when huge amounts of cultural creations just vanish into nothing. Web archives are perhaps not enough, lots of content are inside walled gardens, convincing a company to release all that information is a different question of course :)
No. World heritage sites are of archeological interest, whereas marking and preserving only some internet properties perhaps less than a decade old, would only play into the hands of sycophants bent on gaming the UNESCO system for personal gain.
The reality is that an UNESCO site is something that warring factions should agree to avoid destroying with bombs and guns, even while they eviscerate each other amid very real bloodshed.
You can’t make such a promise that destroying a certain server in a data center may or may not cost the world something valuable. Furthermore, there are not warring factions in the equation, to threaten precious data centers housing your precious data.
You would waste UN resources on... bought and sold consumer products? Why not a clutch of warez d00dz cracked proprietary software? Who decides what world heritage is?
The wrong kind of war might seek to destroy your precious garbage, if there’s no obvious reason it’s special.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#5Could data become part of UNESCO's world heritage? Nowadays alot of culture happens in the digital space and it's always a tragedy when huge amounts of cultural creations just vanish into nothing. Web archives are perhaps not enough, lots of content are inside walled gardens, convincing a company to release all that information is a different question of course :)
No. World heritage sites are of archeological interest, whereas marking and preserving only some internet properties perhaps less than a decade old, would only play into the hands of sycophants bent on gaming the UNESCO system for personal gain. The reality is that an UNESCO site is something that warring factions should agree to avoid destroying with bombs and guns, even while they eviscerate each other amid very re…
The difference you premised your rant on is superficial. The point is that humans create things that become important to their societies. Sorry if you're upset that Mario and Link were integral cultural touchstones in my life and many others'. I assure you, these "consumer products" had a large effect on my path.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. World heritage sites are of archeological interest, whereas marking and preserving only some internet properties perhaps less than a decade old, would only play into the hands of sycophants bent on gaming the UNESCO system for personal gain. The reality is that an UNESCO site is something that warring factions should agree to avoid destroying with bombs and guns, even while they eviscerate each other amid very re…
The difference you premised your rant on is superficial. The point is that humans create things that become important to their societies. Sorry if you're upset that Mario and Link were integral cultural touchstones in my life and many others'. I assure you, these "consumer products" had a large effect on my path.
It's true. Archaeological artifacts are just pieces of culture.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#7Why?
Communities die, people die, and more importantly, they change. While it used to be that if you wrote something stupid on a wall or carved it into a tree, with a natural expectation that it will get erased or destroyed over time, now even when behemoth social networks shut down, there are apparently enthusiasts which want to conserve every creepy pasta and highdea everywhere. Just because it can be done.
At best, the users should have been given the chance to download whatever they want for private use, and the rest should rightly get obliterated.
Many people would object less to Facebook if it probably deleted all content not marked "important" after a year, rather than creepily storing everything ever.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#8Why? Communities die, people die, and more importantly, they change. While it used to be that if you wrote something stupid on a wall or carved it into a tree, with a natural expectation that it will get erased or destroyed over time, now even when behemoth social networks shut down, there are apparently enthusiasts which want to conserve every creepy pasta and highdea everywhere. Just because it can be done. At best…
Because we can. Historians love glimpses into the mundane of past societies. For the first time in history it is actually possible to archive these mundane aspects of everyday life like we archive the "important" stuff.
Imagine how ecstatic historians we would if we suddenly discovered an archive of even 1% of the smalltalk that went on in bars during the 1800s.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#9Could data become part of UNESCO's world heritage? Nowadays alot of culture happens in the digital space and it's always a tragedy when huge amounts of cultural creations just vanish into nothing. Web archives are perhaps not enough, lots of content are inside walled gardens, convincing a company to release all that information is a different question of course :)
No. World heritage sites are of archeological interest, whereas marking and preserving only some internet properties perhaps less than a decade old, would only play into the hands of sycophants bent on gaming the UNESCO system for personal gain. The reality is that an UNESCO site is something that warring factions should agree to avoid destroying with bombs and guns, even while they eviscerate each other amid very re…
> You can’t make such a promise that destroying a certain server in a data center may or may not cost the world something valuable.
Think on a different level of abstraction. Cyberwar is a thing; cyberweapons are a thing. You could totally have rules about what online services state-sponsored malware shouldn't try to attack. It would make just as much sense to protect Archive.org as it would to protect the Library of Congress.
Re: Miiverse archive recovers 17TB of social mirth after Nintendo’s shutdown
#10Why? Communities die, people die, and more importantly, they change. While it used to be that if you wrote something stupid on a wall or carved it into a tree, with a natural expectation that it will get erased or destroyed over time, now even when behemoth social networks shut down, there are apparently enthusiasts which want to conserve every creepy pasta and highdea everywhere. Just because it can be done. At best…
One of the most exciting archeological pieces we have from the Roman empire, is graffiti spouting the same mundane things people scrawl on bathroom walls today.
> At best, the users should have been given the chance to download whatever they want for private use, and the rest should rightly get obliterated.
This is a hard one. The right to be forgotten is probably something the average person should have.
But equally, human history can be understood and shaped by some of the most mundane things, and our descendants have a right to review that. To understand it.
I don't have a solution to it.
> Many people would object less to Facebook if it probably deleted all content not marked "important" after a year, rather than creepily storing everything ever.
It is not their storage of data I find creepy. It is the fact that this permanent storage is actively used, sold and traded. A deleted profile shouldn't be able to follow you around the web, and continue to build upon itself.