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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by pjmlp »

chrissnell wrote: post #117
seanp2k2 wrote: post #44

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Store the screen layout using serials from the EDIDs. Why it doesn’t do this and “tries” to guess their position somehow is beyond me. I use the OWC TB3 dock with dual Asus PA328qs with the latest firmware. Because of apparently some lame design decisions, in order to run dual external monitors over a single TB3 port, you need the dock, which has one DisplayPort output, then a TB3-> DisplayPort (via USB-C alt mode II…

I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

I see the draw for desktop and mobile developers.

Developer is not a synonim for UNIX programming.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by s_kilk »

glogla wrote: post #159
chrissnell wrote: post #117

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I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

Was it hard to move off Retina and reasonable touchpad? I am considering similar route, but these are the two things that keep me on Apple.

The recent thinkpads have hi-dpi displays, and they're perfectly fine for anything other than intensive colour work.

The touchpads are fine too. I regularly bounce between a macbook and a T460, and I don't have any problems operating the latter.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by seba_dos1 »

glogla wrote: post #159
chrissnell wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

Was it hard to move off Retina and reasonable touchpad? I am considering similar route, but these are the two things that keep me on Apple.

My Yoga 2 Pro has hidpi display and better touchpad than MBP's.

Yoga 900's touchpad is way worse though, so if you really care, always check if you can try it first.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by kevincox »

glogla wrote: post #159
chrissnell wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hit a breaking point with the Apple laptops a couple of years ago. It was actually iTunes that drove me off. iTunes Match somehow corrupted and lost a bunch of my music. Forever gone and I didn't have backups. After working with Support for a while, I finally gave up and bought a new ThinkPad T470s and put Arch Linux on it and never looked back. Things work really well and predictably. I have it dialed in just how…

Was it hard to move off Retina and reasonable touchpad? I am considering similar route, but these are the two things that keep me on Apple.

You can get higher resolution displays on other laptops. As for the trackpad most are pretty good now days, although apple is probably still in first place.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by [deleted] »

blkhp19 wrote: post #50
stephen_g wrote: post #26

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It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

More anecdata - late 2013 15” Haswell + GeForce 750m rMBP, have literally (and I really truly mean this) had 0 issues. Not a single kernel panic or notable userland software glitch. The only thing that glitches occasionally is plugging into an external monitor, but this has happened on every release since Mavericks (what this laptop shipped with IIRC)

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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by visarga »

djsumdog wrote: post #55
notadoc wrote: post #17

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Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…

I've been lucky that with my past three jobs, I've been able to use Linux naively. One place just had custom desktops, another HP workstations and the last I got a Dell laptop. I ran openSUSE on the HP, and Gentoo on the other two. One of the shops was an open source shop, so all 150+ of us ran some Linux distro (mostly Ubuntu/Debain, some Arch, some Mint .. I was the only Gentoo) except for the graphics people who g…

> I've been able to use Linux naively

Hehe

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by qubex »

donatj wrote: post #66
RGS1811 wrote: post #8

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I came for the filesystem bugs, I stayed for the absurd root exploit, but its the little crashes, rendering glitches, and feeling of general instability that made me fall in love with High Sierra...

APFS has been nothing but pain for me. File system changes show up in Finder minutes later! I should have stayed in Sierra.

My MacMini6,2 (2012 Server) has two SSDs RAIDed together. High Sierra beta worked fine and upgraded fine to golden master and subsequent. When I decided to reinstall my OS from scratch and reload from backups I discovered to my horror that mine was not a supported configuration and there was no way in hell I would be getting back to where I started from. This happened on the 20th November. I finally managed to boot my system again on the 20th December. After failing to re-enable RAID I broke my system into individual root and /User partitions on separate drives (or tried to) and discovered that APFS (Encrypted) and /etc/fstab don’t get along. I re-defined my home folder to be on the second drive but cannot log in until I’ve logged into a utility account and mounted the encrypted partition separately. Currently permissions are so fucked up I can’t even stream music from iTunes. On Monday I’m gonna nuke it again and try another route from scratch.

Throughout this Apple Support has been anything but (aborting when for some reason my Mini’s S/N failed to match their records for Server machines, and thus bailing on me on the premise that I shouldn’t have RAID anyway so basically screw me.)

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by calinet6 »

This seems like it might be a lead:

> Apple completely rewrote the window server in Metal 2 for High Sierra and seems to have done a very poor job of it.

I've run into tons of those issues with my 2012 MBP. Slight tangent that might be useful to someone.

If you experience jerkiness, lagginess, slow display updates, just general slow feeling, one thing to try is the NVIDIA Web Driver video drivers, rather than the stock ones.

It resolved all of the slowness for me, maybe just applies to slightly older macs but made a big difference.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by calinet6 »

RGS1811 wrote: post #8
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I came for the filesystem bugs, I stayed for the absurd root exploit, but its the little crashes, rendering glitches, and feeling of general instability that made me fall in love with High Sierra...

Secret hint: if it's an older mac, try the NVIDIA Web Driver for the video driver.
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