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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by polygot » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:09 AM UTC

On Mac OS 10.4 (tiger) when I left Activity Monitor going in the background for a few minutes and returned to it, sometimes it would all of a sudden refresh the values super super fast with historical data (appearing to catch up on the iterations that it did not display.)

On 10.6, when I ran Windows in a virtual machine while it was doing windows update, and left it running in the background for a few minutes and returned to it, sometimes I would get 60fps in the machine for a few seconds and it updated very very fast, and then it went back to 15fps (seemingly getting more CPU power.)

On 10.7 (if I recall) if I left Activity Monitor running in the background for a few minutes and returned to it, I would get nonsensical values for the CPU usage for a few seconds (e.g. 398423.34%) but then it would return to normal. Perhaps this error has been accumulating over the years.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by roblabla » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:11 AM UTC

city41 wrote: post #10

shiado wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally the first thing I do on a macOS install is remove pretty much every single Apple app I can. The quality of Apple's software is simply too low to take the risk of relying on it. Anybody who has had to fix their relatives iPhoto or iTunes would agree.

If your confidence is that low, why use MacOS at all?

Not the op, but until recently I felt like while Apple's apps were going downhill, its OS stayed very good, both in terms of user friendliness and stability. With High Sierra, any trust I had was utterly shattered.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by pavlov » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:13 AM UTC

notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

After updating to High Sierra, OmniGraffle, an app that I use fairly regularly, stopped working. The only available solution was to buy a $50 update to the latest version. At least Omni Group should be happy about macOS 10.13.

In Omni's view, my software was hopelessly outdated... But in reality it worked just fine for my needs even though it wasn't the latest version. I had bought the license in November 2009, so exactly eight years before Apple broke it for good.

Microsoft would never break compatibility with a major Windows app from only eight years ago. I've accepted Apple's hostility towards older 3rd party software in exchange for a sense of forward momentum in the OS, but that pact seems to be history now with High Sierra largely feeling like a step back.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by city41 » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:14 AM UTC

dm319 wrote: post #9

notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

I switched to Linux running on ThinkPads (between work and my personal laptop I have a Carbon, T470s and a T450). I have generally found ThinkPad hardware is very compatible with Linux.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by E765 » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:15 AM UTC

dm319 wrote: post #9

notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

I recently bought a ThinkPad X1 Carbon. I'm pretty happy with it.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by peterangular » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:18 AM UTC

dm319 wrote: post #9

notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

Thinkpads.

I moved from Windows 7 to Debian 8 a year or so ago and have never looked back (except for the Adobe Suite...)

I use an OSX Macbook Pro for my 9-5 and have been avoiding High Sierra forever - it's just a slap in the face.

At least I know my Debian 8 box will almost always operate as expected - even through a distribution release. I need stability from my system, and there's just no other option anymore.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by notadoc » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:18 AM UTC

dm319 wrote: post #9

notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions.

I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly have usable ports, a keyboard that works, and an escape key, what a luxury. I also know a fair amount of people getting Thinkpad and even Surfaces.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by shiado » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:20 AM UTC

city41 wrote: post #10

shiado wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally the first thing I do on a macOS install is remove pretty much every single Apple app I can. The quality of Apple's software is simply too low to take the risk of relying on it. Anybody who has had to fix their relatives iPhoto or iTunes would agree.

If your confidence is that low, why use MacOS at all?

Despite the flaws it still provides a more consistent experience than Linux (especially on laptops). I just wish Apple put as much love into MacOS as they do into iOS. Also there is a lot of proprietary software like the Adobe suite + Music production software that is only available on MacOS or Windows.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by rdtsc » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:22 AM UTC

Yup. I hit the same bug, just a few hours ago. Was compiling something and had htop running, then everything froze. I assumed it was the build and after a hard reboot started compiling again but this time without the htop and it finished fine.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by 2trill2spill » Sat, Jan 06, 2018, 1:23 AM UTC

dm319 wrote: post #9

notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

FreeBSD 12(current) on a 2017 XPS 13 has been great for me. Funny thing is I never imagined buying a dell laptop. I was going to purchase a new mac, but the touch bar killed that for me. So far so good with the XPS 13.