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China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by probablybroken »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #25
ghostcluster wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can recommend a YouTube channel from a couple Westerners who have lived in China for years and share their experiences about it, https://www.youtube.com/advchina -- the slightly older of whom is http://youtube.com/serpentza who lives in Shenzhen. They tackle a lot of the issues you bring up. China is very protective of their immigration, and unlike the US, it's impossible to get the equivalent of a Green Card or be…

The apartment thing...it’s very rare. Most likely to remind you to register at the PSB, I was always late and warned a few times, they never tried to fine me or anything. They aren’t really “checking” on you, honestly I’ve had worse experiences in Switzerland than China where they really do check on you (like the television tax guy entering my apartment to check that I really didn’t have a TV!). Beijing was actually…

Television licencing property checks are normal in the UK as well - I've had a few inspectors demand access to my home to verify that I wasn't watching TV illegally. For a long time there used to be "TV detector vans" that would drive around areas supposedly detecting TVs in use in unlicensed properties - I believe it was ( still is? ) illegal to publish any information surrounding the efficacy of these vehicles ( Obviously because they don't work ).

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by lowpro »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #21
provost wrote: post #6

Looked into the taxes: for regular employees there are 7 brackets. Anything over 80,000RMB (12320 US Dollar) is taxed at 45%. Though it looks like if your income is derived by a company outside China, and you live there for >=1 and [1] https://www.ecovis.com/focus-china/individual-income-tax-iit...

Chinese taxes are a bit higher than the states, but note that is an all inclusive rate (federal, local). There are also many ways to get some income tax free for foreigners via special exemption (say around 10%) so it is only a bit more than USA taxes in the end (I filed the foreign tax credit form way too many times so have done the math a lot).

This is actually lower than the US in a few places, including California where the top bracket including local, state, and federal taxes can go up to 52%. On mobile so don't have a reference on me.

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by maxerickson »

ghostcluster wrote: post #28
jimnotgym wrote: post #5

> Visa holders will be allowed to remain in the country for up to 180 days at a time So Nobel prize winning academics can visit China. I'm rather less excited by that than when I read the headline

Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism might want to stop and think deeply as to why. It's essentially impossible for a Westerner to gain anything more than a temporary visa, even if they marry a Chinese citizen.

Do you think living in the West...is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism is a big group of people?

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by baursak »

ghostcluster wrote: post #28
jimnotgym wrote: post #5

> Visa holders will be allowed to remain in the country for up to 180 days at a time So Nobel prize winning academics can visit China. I'm rather less excited by that than when I read the headline

Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism might want to stop and think deeply as to why. It's essentially impossible for a Westerner to gain anything more than a temporary visa, even if they marry a Chinese citizen.

> Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism

... is probably not a significant amount of people

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

lowpro wrote: post #32
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese taxes are a bit higher than the states, but note that is an all inclusive rate (federal, local). There are also many ways to get some income tax free for foreigners via special exemption (say around 10%) so it is only a bit more than USA taxes in the end (I filed the foreign tax credit form way too many times so have done the math a lot).

This is actually lower than the US in a few places, including California where the top bracket including local, state, and federal taxes can go up to 52%. On mobile so don't have a reference on me.

Sure, though coming from Washington state that wasn’t much solace. Even without state taxes, it some how worked out that I was fairly even with my USA federal tax liability, probably because the deductions are different in china.

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

I’m not sure what the big deal is here, they have offered something like this for awhile, and in my experience, is nearly impossible to obtain unless you’ve won a Nobel (and not the peace kind). Most of us were just on work visas that were renewed yearly, the lucky ones got two year visas. Someday that might change, but I’m not sure how it would make things much better.

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by ghostcluster »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #25
ghostcluster wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can recommend a YouTube channel from a couple Westerners who have lived in China for years and share their experiences about it, https://www.youtube.com/advchina -- the slightly older of whom is http://youtube.com/serpentza who lives in Shenzhen. They tackle a lot of the issues you bring up. China is very protective of their immigration, and unlike the US, it's impossible to get the equivalent of a Green Card or be…

The apartment thing...it’s very rare. Most likely to remind you to register at the PSB, I was always late and warned a few times, they never tried to fine me or anything. They aren’t really “checking” on you, honestly I’ve had worse experiences in Switzerland than China where they really do check on you (like the television tax guy entering my apartment to check that I really didn’t have a TV!). Beijing was actually…

Wow, I hadn't considered that the Beijing police would be too fearful to inadvertently pull over a high ranking party member to conduct their jobs properly.

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sh4z wrote: post #29
westiseast wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is best illustrated with things like road deaths. If you look at road deaths for China, it’s something like 20 per 100k people per year vs maybe 2-3 in the UK. What that means is, statistically China is 8-10 times “worse” than the UK. Does it mean you’re going to be seeing car crashes everywhere all the time? No. Does it mean China’s road safety is much worse? Yes. Things are much worse in China in a vari…

If we instead go onto crime; If you look at violent crime we have 6 times more robberies, 4 times more murders and 18 times more gun crime in the USA compare to China (per capita) Does it mean you're going to be seeing people getting shot everywhere all the time? No. Does it mean general safety in the US is much worse? Yes. Things are much worse in USA in a variety of meaningful respects. Does that mean it's impossib…

General safety is worse in china if you include traffic accidents. Crime safety is better in china.

You are unlikely to be affected in any case. Though I did know of stupid foreigners who became crippled after stupidity on motor scooters.

Re: China offers 10-year visas to 'high end talent'

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Post by client4 »

inDigiNeous wrote: post #8

Hearing all the negative stuff about China recently, like the online censorship, dictatorship, stories about people not caring about human life, like hearing it's common that if you accidentally drive over people, many will backup to finish the job so they wont' have to pay the insurance for rest of the life and seeings stories like babies on the streets and nobody caring, why would anyone want to work in China? Are…

Having just been in Beijing and Shanghai for a significant period of time, I can say both of those cities are fairly modern with a flair of western living standards (aside from the fact that most people don't speak English). I can't speak to anywhere else, though I'm excited to visit a number of more rural cities this year.
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