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Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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You can never convince an animal to give it's food in promise of a place in heaven or to die for it's country. That's something only humans are capable of. Beat that!

Besides the snark, you are right. No other animal understands the concept of sacrificing something today to get something better in the future.

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Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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So we're not the only: - tool-using animal - fire-using animal - language-using animal - animal which domesticates other animals - animal which builds complex structures Aha! I know! We're the only animal which continually comes up with reasons why we're special.

We are the only mammal with consciousness, which leads to knowledge of the future and the discerning of good and evil. Despite the fact that we still don’t understand the least about how consciousness arises in our brain, we are nonetheless the only animal that shows this. Even in cases like monkeys recognizing themselves una mirror, no animal seem to go past that and be aware of the future like we do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15048517

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"Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Non-human animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also possess these neurological substrates." [0]

We've found evidence in some animal or another for pretty much everything we've ever thought was unique about human cognitive abilities. So far, the only unique thing about humans is how broad and powerful our cognition is.

[0] http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConscious....

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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Almost all of them. Which animals does not communicate verbally or with gestures or similar language constructs?

Careful there with the phrasing. When we talk about animals communicating we generally mean animals using signals (e.g. to indicate the presence of a predator or a source of food). I'm not aware of any reliably documented case of animals communicating abstract concepts. There is some research with great apes that makes the rounds every now and then but the findings are dubious at best as there's a lot of conflict of…

The question was "language", not "abstract concepts". I am not aware of any modern definition of language that requires abstract concepts.

Signals of many kinds are however certainly integral to language. Why are Jose discounted in your point of view?

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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So we're not the only: - tool-using animal - fire-using animal - language-using animal - animal which domesticates other animals - animal which builds complex structures Aha! I know! We're the only animal which continually comes up with reasons why we're special.

We are the only mammal with consciousness, which leads to knowledge of the future and the discerning of good and evil. Despite the fact that we still don’t understand the least about how consciousness arises in our brain, we are nonetheless the only animal that shows this. Even in cases like monkeys recognizing themselves una mirror, no animal seem to go past that and be aware of the future like we do.

Apes are demonstrably aware of the future: https://www.livescience.com/2620-humans-apes-plan.html

And also demonstrably have a sense of morality: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/19/health/chimpanzee-fairness...

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

#75
post #7

So we're not the only: - tool-using animal - fire-using animal - language-using animal - animal which domesticates other animals - animal which builds complex structures Aha! I know! We're the only animal which continually comes up with reasons why we're special.

You can never convince an animal to give it's food in promise of a place in heaven or to die for it's country. That's something only humans are capable of. Beat that!

I'm positive you can teach dogs to do sth unpleasant to get a treat later.

You don't even need to actually give it this treat every time.

BTW many horses died for their countries.

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

#76

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Besides the snark, you are right. No other animal understands the concept of sacrificing something today to get something better in the future.

Squirrels bury acorns they could eat that day so they can have food in the winter instead.

Squirrels don't even remember where they've buried the acorns. They just bury and dig, and with enough squirrels involved it works out. Its an instinct that happens to contribute to survival.

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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> Aha! I know! We're the only animal which continually comes up with reasons why we're special. Nope, that'd be cats.

Cats don't need to come up with reasons why they're special. They just are.

Cats are tool using as well: we are the tool.

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

#78
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So we're not the only: - tool-using animal - fire-using animal - language-using animal - animal which domesticates other animals - animal which builds complex structures Aha! I know! We're the only animal which continually comes up with reasons why we're special.

We are the only mammal with consciousness, which leads to knowledge of the future and the discerning of good and evil. Despite the fact that we still don’t understand the least about how consciousness arises in our brain, we are nonetheless the only animal that shows this. Even in cases like monkeys recognizing themselves una mirror, no animal seem to go past that and be aware of the future like we do.

> discerning of good and evil

Humans don't have such a capacity. The notions of 'good' and 'evil' have historically been in flux and went through many huge changes. Modern humans consider the typical behaviors of past humans as 'evil'.

Vikings - rape after conquering is good. People today: that's evil.

India until 2 generations ago - arranged marriage is good. Today that's evil.

Homosexuality - has oscillated many times between good and evil. In fact, different geographic regions will still have polar opposite views on this today.

Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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Re: Intentional Fire-Spreading by “Firehawk” Raptors in Northern Australia

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So we're not the only: - tool-using animal - fire-using animal - language-using animal - animal which domesticates other animals - animal which builds complex structures Aha! I know! We're the only animal which continually comes up with reasons why we're special.

Perhaps in another 20 million years the birds will go from carrying sticks to discovering antibiotics. Until then... I think we can still consider ourselves special.
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