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Just read the headline of this article and you'll realize why the current Ripple psychosis is newsworthy. What has happened the last week is historical and scary.
It's the signal the mania stage is nearing an end. See: Yasumitsu Shigeta They're playing musical chairs right before the implosion. Ripple might be worth a couple billion dollars as a dangerous speculation. PayPal, an actual, real, live, huge, global, payment & money transfer system, is worth $92 billion. Some people say you can't place a value on something like Ripple. Sure you can, treat it as an actual business,…
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#42The thesis statement here is value itself is an arbitrary concept and is such because we say it is. It's completely imaginary, often times irrational and a shared fiction. The fact that we have conventional billionaires at all is almost a ridiculous concept in and of itself, as any amount of tangible work is always done en masse, not by a singular person. Works can be created by individual contributors but it is the…
Which one of these properties of cryptocurrency is imaginary? Coins cant be faked or duplicated No one can create them at will They can be transmitted quickly/globally with low fees (excluding bitcoin of course) You can store them yourself, no bank needed Sending huge sums of money is no problem Relatively simple design, 8 page white paper Has worked as designed for almost a decade Seems like crypto has a lot unique…
If you claim this is a highly speculative asset, then yeah, you are right. But if you really want to call this a currency, you have to convince a government to use it as an official currency. No central bank in this world will accept to use a currency that is out of its control, that can't depreciate or appreciate at will.
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Which one of these properties of cryptocurrency is imaginary? Coins cant be faked or duplicated No one can create them at will They can be transmitted quickly/globally with low fees (excluding bitcoin of course) You can store them yourself, no bank needed Sending huge sums of money is no problem Relatively simple design, 8 page white paper Has worked as designed for almost a decade Seems like crypto has a lot unique…
There are also downsides of course too. But I think the reality is that the future will have both crypto currencies and fiat currencies. Both have advantages.
Edit: Fiat just means its value is driven by supply/demand rather than being backed by something like gold.
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#44The thesis statement here is value itself is an arbitrary concept and is such because we say it is. It's completely imaginary, often times irrational and a shared fiction. The fact that we have conventional billionaires at all is almost a ridiculous concept in and of itself, as any amount of tangible work is always done en masse, not by a singular person. Works can be created by individual contributors but it is the…
Which one of these properties of cryptocurrency is imaginary? Coins cant be faked or duplicated No one can create them at will They can be transmitted quickly/globally with low fees (excluding bitcoin of course) You can store them yourself, no bank needed Sending huge sums of money is no problem Relatively simple design, 8 page white paper Has worked as designed for almost a decade Seems like crypto has a lot unique…
* Coins can't be faked or duplicated - YET - If you get a bot net arguing other the same coin either someone is going to get the coin or the coin is going to get lost.
It kinda like the Captain Midnight and HBO. If you haven't heard about HBO and some other TV networks has launched a communication satellite and professed no one could take it over. Some guy said they were wrong but no one listen to him. Then HBO started raising fees. So the guy overrode their satellite with narrow, focused a pirate signal. Today that would be less then $1,000 of equipment he had for his business.
* No one can create them at will - Except the bank. Someone is issuing those coins to begin with. What is stopping them from 'printing more money?' After all coins are going to get lost over over time. You'll need to replace them. People are going to exchange their currency from X currency to Y currency. Then what happens when someone finds a huge missing wallet?
Both cases are going cause an inflation / deflation cycle. During the inflation cycle this will drive the value up to where no one but the richest people can afford to use it because transaction fees cost too much. The deflation cycle are ruin entire fortunes.
* They can be transmitted quickly/globally with low fees (excluding bitcoin of course) - Won't Ripple and other cryptocurrencies eventually succumb to the same issue over time? You can make shard server but then you're centralizing the network and you get back to where you started.
* You can store them yourself, no bank needed - True enough. Just don't lose that digital wallet.
* Sending huge sums of money is no problem - That getting harder in certain countries as regulations are cracking down. Plus you need access to a terminal. In some areas that's just not practical.
* Relatively simple design, 8 page white paper - but how many other white papers do you need to understand to understand those 8 pages.
* Has worked as designed for almost a decade - And the current banking systems have been working for thousand of years. Does that invalidate this statement?
You said that 'crypto has a lot unique intrinsic value that surpasses traditional currencies to date.' I see crypto more as tulips then anything else. In Holland this bulbs of those beautiful spring flowers. Anyone could grow and make more. They had a definite expiration period. Then someone said 'wait those are just flowers.' And Holland's economy fell apart almost overnight.
My issues with 'crypto' are:
* No real physical assets to back it up - Its just numbers and algorithms.
* Algorithms are broken over time - Just look at the history of SSL / TLS
* The issuing source can issue more 'units' at anytime - The single issuing source of hashes IS the central bank. This causes deflation and devalue the overall market.
* Inflationary / Deflationary Cycle - The currency will inflate until it gets so big that processing fees can't be paid.
* The rich get richer and the poor get poorer - You either buy the farming equipment right away or get the scraps from other people that joined the bandwagon.
* Corruption - Just look at the Coinbase 'alleged' insider trading
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#45"XRP is 100% premined, Ripple holds 60% of the supply, controls which nodes are selected as “trustworthy” to confirm transactions, while they have paid nothing to create those tokens that people are so willingly buying at $4+ per piece and thereby make the creators insanely rich. Let us call it what it really is, digital fiat, the renewed version of the debt-based traditional fiat system, leveraged by latest technology – which eventually has nothing to do with cryptocurrency whatsoever."
[1] https://cryptoyoda1338.wordpress.com/2018/01/04/the-truth-ab...
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#46If this’s not a bubble I don’t know what it’s
Since everybody and their grandmother is telling these days it's a bubble, I've somehow come to the believe that this time it's not a bubble. Why? Well, during the mortgage crisis, very few economists would actually claim it was a bubble. Perhaps it was 5% - 10%. At least this was what appeared in the news. The big shots at the central banks didn't see this bubble either, for the most part. But now every big banker i…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/crypto-cr...
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#47Whenever I see extremely disproportionate volume coming from Bitthumb I'm immediately skeptical it's anything more than a pump and dump cycle. Same thing happened with BCH among others.
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The difference is very simple. If you buy all ripple tokens in existence, they are useless. If you buy all facebook stocks in existence, you own facebook.
All ripple accounts require 20 xrp which cannot be moved so this is an impossibility to begin with Xrp holders have some function in the network, I forgot And you could name the price for anyone else that wanted xrp or to use the network Although I would say Ripple’s XRP is not the settlement solution Id be looking for, I wouldnt say owning 99.999% of them makes it worthless Owning all of a commodity doesnt make it w…
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Which one of these properties of cryptocurrency is imaginary? Coins cant be faked or duplicated No one can create them at will They can be transmitted quickly/globally with low fees (excluding bitcoin of course) You can store them yourself, no bank needed Sending huge sums of money is no problem Relatively simple design, 8 page white paper Has worked as designed for almost a decade Seems like crypto has a lot unique…
> No one can create them at will Didn't Ripple Labs create 100 bilion ripple at will?
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Which one of these properties of cryptocurrency is imaginary? Coins cant be faked or duplicated No one can create them at will They can be transmitted quickly/globally with low fees (excluding bitcoin of course) You can store them yourself, no bank needed Sending huge sums of money is no problem Relatively simple design, 8 page white paper Has worked as designed for almost a decade Seems like crypto has a lot unique…
I said it before and say it again. These things you call cryptocurrencies can be anything you want but currencies. Who ever claims the contrary has no clue about how a currency works. If you claim this is a highly speculative asset, then yeah, you are right. But if you really want to call this a currency, you have to convince a government to use it as an official currency. No central bank in this world will accept to…
Since when does a currency have to come from a government? People used representative money in forms of IOUs before those were formally issued by governments. Sure, we've moved to government-issued fiat since, because it solved a coordination problem (how do you ensure the value of money doesn't unpredictably change), but that's just one possible solution now.