Earlier quoted context omitted.
Far too early to say "correct". Starting a company that burns cash faster than anyone and cashing out is not at the same level of Steve Jobs.
Do you know why Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple?
Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
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#42I think I know the kind of world Travis comes from. He was in a fraternity, and he treated it like a business like I did. When he owned a real business he applied those lessons far too liberally.
Fraternities are ruthlessly competitive, going as far as planting fake pledges and building internal dossiers on all the other frats on campus. Very valuable was your loyal man with a generic young face that could walk their way into other houses unsuspected.
Fraternities are also bound strongly by shared goals and lifetime membership, something that doesn't translate to a company where you can leave anyday. They're both a company and a political structure within the university. A strange 501c3 title 9 exempt chimera that forever walks the line.
I'm not defending what he's done, just saying that ruthless counterintelligence is normal for Greek houses trying to get an edge, just like politics. We did much of the same, going as far as putting together wifi sniffers with long range dish antennas pointed at other houses to figure out how many people connected to their WiFi during parties.
We never did any harm, but we watched as closely as our abilities (and the law) allowed. It was opposition research, as bad as politics, and often intertwined. At one point I was fraternity president and my roommate was president of the Student House of Representatives, in charge of the school's 'activity fee', which was close to 50 million a year. We both hated politics and left them forever after graduation, but seeing into the void was a hell of an eye opener for both of us.
I have a strong feeling Travis tried the fraternity formula on a unicorn. A fraternity is much different primarily because you're elected. If you own it, you don't have to pander to anyone or spend half your time watching your back. I think the shadier and secretive projects are a reflection that Travis didn't understand that.
Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I bet most people would have pinned him as the next Jobs And they would have been absolutely correct. Exactly what happened to Steve Jobs.
Far too early to say "correct". Starting a company that burns cash faster than anyone and cashing out is not at the same level of Steve Jobs.
Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
#44waves smartphone "Uber is not a taxi service." -"Uber isn't a taxi service"
waves smartphone "There is no need to regulate us as a taxi service." -"There's no need to regulate them like a taxi service."
waves smartphone "Uber drivers are not employees." -"These drivers are not employees."
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#45Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
#46Good for him. This is probably an unpopular opinion here, but I feel bad for this guy. Could have built a really great empire, and he probably would have if it was ten years ago. But things are changing so fast nowadays and the masses have a lot of power (maybe too much than they deserve) and Uber unfortunately was at the wrong place at the wrong time. When I talk to real people in the real world (not Twitter trolls…
Perhaps the 'real people in the real world' would be offended and stop using Uber if they knew of Kalanick and his team's doings, not the least of which has been the intimidation and attempt to discredit a rape victim. EDIT: I appear to be mis-remembering Uber's actions - they did not initially share their denial of the victim's experiences with her, per the accounts I've found. In this setting, 'intimidation' may be…
Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
#47Good for him. This is probably an unpopular opinion here, but I feel bad for this guy. Could have built a really great empire, and he probably would have if it was ten years ago. But things are changing so fast nowadays and the masses have a lot of power (maybe too much than they deserve) and Uber unfortunately was at the wrong place at the wrong time. When I talk to real people in the real world (not Twitter trolls…
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#48Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
#49Happy for him. I can only imagine how much being ousted from a company he created and raised to its current level must have hurt. I do not look fondly at what a pain local transport was in cities without public transport (and even those with), and it is Travis (yes, Travis first, Uber second) that led this paradigm shift. We can debate about Uber's business practices until the cows come home, but this is undeniable.…
This is really strangely dismissive. Does the "paradigm shift" justify any and all of Uber's unethical actions? If so, why do you think breaking the law and harassing rape victims is either acceptable or laudable? If not, why bring it up, unless you're perpetuating some kind of entrepeneur business-worship over basic moral decency?
Re: Uber Co-Founder Travis Kalanick Said to Plan Sale of 29% of Stake
#50It feels like a lot of people are saying, through distorted lenses, that it is understandable that he didn't become the next big tech leader because this or that reason. (Almost as if they "knew all along that this would happen".) Why not be honest with ourselves instead? Let's just admit that our predictor functions got this one totally wrong, and that we should probably each individually, and maybe as a community,…
You mean the egregious sexual harassing and blatant attempts to obstruct justice?
Or do you mean the ability of people on the HN forums to predict the future?