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U.S. To End Policy That Let Legal Pot Flourish

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Post by DanBC »

_acme wrote: post #149
DanBC wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cannabis use isn't the solution to opioid deaths. Other countries have strict laws about cannabis, and those laws are enforced, and they don't have the problems of opioid deaths that the US has. The real solution to opioid death is adequate treatment for pain; and treating addiction as a health problem not a criminal justice problem.

Very often opioids are the only adequate treatment for pain; what else would you suggest?

> Very often opioids are the only adequate treatment for pain;

The Royal College of Anaesthetists have useful info here: https://www.rcoa.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-awar...

Re: U.S. To End Policy That Let Legal Pot Flourish

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Post by dmix »

goalieca wrote: post #4

So much for « states rights » > Sessions, who has assailed marijuana as comparable to heroin and has blamed it for spikes in violence Pot smokers aren’t violent people because it tends to chill you out. The growers and dealers can belong to criminal organizations and cause problems. So naturally, keeping the gangs in business by keeping pot illegal is top priority.

Technically Obama was saying "I get to choose what laws the feds follow" with the stroke of my pen. To me that sounds more authoritative than what Sessions did here by revoking such an act.

I'm all for state rights, but I personally see overreach in executive power as the far bigger problem of the modern era. Executive power exploded under Obama (a trend which Bush started before him, which Obama took much farther).

Ultimately the real problem is that congress needs to end prohibition via law.

Obama basically took a 'sanctuary city' approach, a "workaround" and not a solution to this problem. Which ultimately still left the law very much up in the air for many people in states running weed businesses. I hate the fact people are going to jail for marijuana but I do see an argument here that Session's change:

a) incentivizes congress to put a proper policy together, where before it was left in legal/political limbo

b) ended a bad law which typified executive power overreach

c) is not yet clear how it will affect states in practice, as it's still up to the state attorneys to act on it

In practice this sucks, but I don't think this sucks because it's an extension of government overrearch.

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Post by Clubber »

SEJeff wrote: post #150
Clubber wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yes, what Sessions was accused of doing is systemic racism, which IMO is much worse than idiots throwing around pejoratives. Granted, the systemic racism is a lot better overall than it was. I mean lynching was legal, rape was legal, assault was legal and fighting back got your mobbed or worse. Racism is the belief that a group of people are inferior to another group of people based solely on what they look like…

I couldn't agree with you more if I wanted to. The internment camps were an abomination and against everything I personally believe the US was originally founded upon. May we remember our folly to never repeat it.

It's interesting that you mention that. On one hand, the war department said the Japanese were dumb and easy to beat, while on the other hand they said they were too dangerous and needed to be confined.

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Post by madengr »

It’d be nice if pro drug and pro gun laws were both exempt from federal pre-emption. In Kansas, state law says guns made in the state are exempt from federal regulation. Of course the federal government disagrees. Pot and gun enthusiasts should band together.

Re: U.S. To End Policy That Let Legal Pot Flourish

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Post by madengr »

aphextron wrote: post #143
rufugee wrote: post #112

Is there an easy way to track donations from alcohol/big pharma lobbyists to the Republican party? I'm betting quite a bit of money, rather than concern for the prole's welfare, is behind this. Sessions said this in March: "I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marij…

I really wouldn’t worry about it too much at this point. The cat is out of the bag; there’s waay too much legitimate money involved in the weed business now, especially in California. There are a dozen storefronts within a few miles of me right now. California, Oregon, Colorado, and Washington are recieving hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue. On top of >60% public support for legalization, all the feds ca…

Though they do it for guns. Here in KS the law says firearms and accessory made in KS are exempt from federal regulation. Two guys were recently convicted in federal court for making a suppressor.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Clubber wrote: post #148
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be equivalent to an executive order, I’m not sure if you could call it a law, more like a regulation. But maybe things were a bit different back then.

It was, but the South had seceded, so they considered themselves a separate country with a separate (albeit hastily constructed) government, so executive orders don't apply to other countries. The legality of secession wasn't even decided until after the war, so it was a bunch of murky legal territory.

Executive orders as military directives definitely applied to the south specifically because it was a different country. The president is command and chief after all. If we considered the south a part of the USA, it would have been much murkier.

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Post by brightball »

Clubber wrote: post #148
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be equivalent to an executive order, I’m not sure if you could call it a law, more like a regulation. But maybe things were a bit different back then.

It was, but the South had seceded, so they considered themselves a separate country with a separate (albeit hastily constructed) government, so executive orders don't apply to other countries. The legality of secession wasn't even decided until after the war, so it was a bunch of murky legal territory.

Was it ever decided?

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Post by chc »

alexanderstears wrote: post #100
goalieca wrote: post #4

So much for « states rights » > Sessions, who has assailed marijuana as comparable to heroin and has blamed it for spikes in violence Pot smokers aren’t violent people because it tends to chill you out. The growers and dealers can belong to criminal organizations and cause problems. So naturally, keeping the gangs in business by keeping pot illegal is top priority.

The doctrine of States' rights is presupposes federal supremacy and a legalistic viewpoint. Marijuana can't be a State's rights issue because it's a federal issue. This is why you often hear the states' rights advocates call for a smaller federal government - states rights can only flourish without the shadow of federal jurisdiction. Right now marijuana is illegal federally - all States' rights proponents acknowledge…

> Thankfully, Sessions is legalistic. If congress got off their butts and legalized it/returned the legality decisions to the state, Sessions would surely respect their decision.

This is a bit like saying "Thankfully, the black hole hurtling toward us is influenced by gravity, so all we need to do is move a star into its path and it will be flung off course."

The fact that a terrible situation could theoretically be saved by something wildly unlikely isn't anything to be thankful for. This isn't going to force this awful Congress we're stuck with to suddenly legalize marijuana. It's most likely just going to lead to a lot of good people being imprisoned.

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Post by watwut »

Clubber wrote: post #147
watwut wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really racism too. Just milder then kkk.

Well yes, what Sessions was accused of doing is systemic racism, which IMO is much worse than idiots throwing around pejoratives. Granted, the systemic racism is a lot better overall than it was. I mean lynching was legal, rape was legal, assault was legal and fighting back got your mobbed or worse. Racism is the belief that a group of people are inferior to another group of people based solely on what they look like…

You mean this one? https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-civil-war-and-recons...
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