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Don't Be Evil: Utopias, Frontiers, and Brogrammers

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Re: Don't Be Evil: Utopias, Frontiers, and Brogrammers

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He's completely missed what changed everything - advertising-supported services. Before Google/Doubleclick, computing was about selling hardware, software, and service to people who used them. After Google bought Doubleclick, computing became about selling users to advertisers. The user is the product, not the customer. This totally changed the balance of power. It's really a bit late to be worried about 1960s counte…

DoubleClick deserved a mention, but wouldn't you say that was more of a financial turning point for SV than a cultural one? DoubleClick is just the money faucet. Apple, Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook all existed before DoubleClick's acquisition and were enjoying some level of hegemony, and their overall stated purpose hasn't changed. Apple still sells magical gadgets, Google still indexes everything, Twitter still shuffles sound bites around, Amazon still ships cheap goods, etc. If it wasn't DoubleClick, they probably would have found another money faucet at some point.

Also, the advertising focus has only affected some of the SV giants. Apple has resisted the selling-products-to-selling-users shift by becoming more dedicated to user privacy. They still have "customers" in the traditional sense, unlike Google or Facebook. But people still see all these companies as being united culturally or ideologically, especially outside the US where they are referred to collectively as "GAFA" (including Apple). They are exporting something, but what?

The article does a great job explaining what motivates the people behind these SV megacorps and ties the culture of these companies together into this "just build it" or "change the world with tech" school of thought that he identifies as "New Communalism". These companies and their followers seem intent on creating an alternate government system that solves social issues with technology and engineering instead of laws and courts. The focus is on taking heavily regulated things and "disrupting" them, which really means just getting around those regulations so they are no longer relevant. This works so well because the process of creating and spreading technology is now so much faster than removing or changing regulations, however, they don't take the time to learn why those regulations were created in the first place, so they end up reviving or exacerbating old social problems. This has become a pattern now where everything in American life that is regulated must now be "disrupted" by technology.

Re: Don't Be Evil: Utopias, Frontiers, and Brogrammers

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>It seems that tech companies also prefer the deregulatory approach when it comes to what content to allow on their platforms. Their default is laissez-faire—to not interfere with what people can post.

This is quickly changing for the worse. Twitter verification has become a badge of approval. Facebook and Twitter try to enforce rules beyond what is legal and illegal and do so wildly inconsistently. I see a lot of it happening with "right-leaning" people, but I have also seen complaints with "left-leaning" people as well.

They need to get back to this instead of trying so hard to police what is allowed to be said.

Re: Don't Be Evil: Utopias, Frontiers, and Brogrammers

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>It seems that tech companies also prefer the deregulatory approach when it comes to what content to allow on their platforms. Their default is laissez-faire—to not interfere with what people can post. This is quickly changing for the worse. Twitter verification has become a badge of approval. Facebook and Twitter try to enforce rules beyond what is legal and illegal and do so wildly inconsistently. I see a lot of it…

> trying so hard to police what is allowed to be said.

Eh. They feel responsible for people doing bad things with what they've made. Closest simplified analogy I'm coming up with is: Imagine you run a gigantic, crowded open-mic, and someone gets up and starts shouting "Fire!" when there isn't one. You would probably want to prevent that, cuz it's breaking this thing you made.

Re: Don't Be Evil: Utopias, Frontiers, and Brogrammers

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"Infrastructure is not political" is part of the canon here on HN as well. Bitcoin, as one of many examples, is often touted as being "neutral", or "unbiased" (in comparison to the Federal Reserve's monetary policy). The same sort of argument is gaining steam around discriminatory decisions by AI or "Big Data" systems: "It's an algorithm! It cannot be biased. Technology is neutral!"

It's never the infrastructure or the algorithm or the data that is political. It's the people using that infrastructure, algorithm or data in their decision-making who are responsible. When a machine learning model determines that according to the available data, blacks are more likely to default on loans, it's not unfairly biased against blacks. It is merely reflecting that the world is unfairly biased against black…

> it's not unfairly biased against blacks

You may be interested in "Fairness in Machine Learning" (https://fairmlclass.github.io/)

From what little I know - In the same way that vision systems pick out edge and feature detection without being explicitly told what those things are, the kind of algos you're talking about could pick up on biases... and just like DeepDream shows how you can then investigate the features encoded in the system, maybe you could then investigate the biases.

In other words, if these kinds of models encode the existing social biases, it also means those biases are now somewhere very, very examinable.

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