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"That you and vertex-four disagree not only on the facts, but on the nature of facts indicates that perhaps his point has some merit." Unlikely. One of us has spent a large chunk of their professional career working in and around newsrooms.

The fact is that facts lie and don't always capture the big picture and they certainly don't capture the importance of an event in and of itself. With millions of events happening each and every day the simple act of choice is incredibly meaningful. Your own belief in the objectivity of modern newsrooms proves my point. Clearly both Al-Jazeera and Fox News do fact checking... yet one would be left with a very differe…

It certainly proves nothing of the kind, and your use of the phrase "belief" is disingenuous. It implies an element of faith that is entirely lacking from any of my assertions. My statements are made based on direct observation of 35 independent newsrooms and direct access to the AP wire over a period of three and a half years. Fox is an outlier in the industry.

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This is what's being accomplished by one amateur with a little bit of hardware. Imagine what will happen when you have professional services (legal or otherwise) making altered videos of whoever or whatever you want. Want court evidence of your wife cheating? Fake grainy hidden camera video. Want to discredit a politician? Here he is picking up a male escort and using racial slurs. These sorts of things could be used…

While the technique does make fraudulent videos easier to make, I don't see this in and of itself as that fatal to public trust. Faking content to hurt someone has been around forever. We then learned not to trust gossip, not to trust uncorroborated sources, etc. I hope it might actually help people be more skeptical of what they're reading and seeing. And hopefully it will help news media be more skeptical of their…

The video by itself will be shortly a medium what noone believes as ground truth, just as a written word or a drawing is now. We should be able to construct better cameras with tamperproof footage. But not sure how, as with realtime editing we cannot trust trivial things like secure timestamping. Secure video blockchain anyone?

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That you and vertex-four disagree not only on the facts, but on the nature of facts indicates that perhaps his point has some merit. ;-) FWIW, I've been that primary source for some major news stories, and the final story usually bears just a passing resemblance to reality as I experienced it. Assuming good faith on the part of the reporter, I have to assume that reality as I experienced it bears only a passing resem…

"That you and vertex-four disagree not only on the facts, but on the nature of facts indicates that perhaps his point has some merit." Unlikely. One of us has spent a large chunk of their professional career working in and around newsrooms.

The fact that you use the authority argument means you are the opposite of an authority on objective truth.

If anything it is the one place where getting the objectivity wrong has no consequences. In a typical company if you are getting the truth about something wrong (e.g. what people want, what people are willing to pay, where the market will move to) the lack of profit margins will refute the correctness.

In a newsroom however objective truth is a hygiene issue like a cook washing his hands. They should. But if they don't it has very few consequences.

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This is what's being accomplished by one amateur with a little bit of hardware. Imagine what will happen when you have professional services (legal or otherwise) making altered videos of whoever or whatever you want. Want court evidence of your wife cheating? Fake grainy hidden camera video. Want to discredit a politician? Here he is picking up a male escort and using racial slurs. These sorts of things could be used…

Most obvious use-case to my mind is stock (or crypto) price manipulation. I wonder what would happen to the ETH price if Vitalik Buterin suddenly "announced" he has seen the light and is quitting ETH to work on DOGE :)

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Citation needed? What subreddits? If you mean the tiny deepfakes subreddit I don't think anything there is involuntary. In case it isn't clear, this isn't leaked videos or celebrities doing actual porn. It's synthetic renders similar to their faces based on publically available material. The celebrities aren't actually involved in any way. It isn't even really photos of them. It's an abstract model. But surely you un…

Please could you provide a photo of your face?

There are photos of my face on my self-hosted website linked in my profile. There aren't hundreds of photos though because I'm not a famous public figure who trades privacy for money. Bit of a difference. Good luck regardless and send me the results.

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This is what's being accomplished by one amateur with a little bit of hardware. Imagine what will happen when you have professional services (legal or otherwise) making altered videos of whoever or whatever you want. Want court evidence of your wife cheating? Fake grainy hidden camera video. Want to discredit a politician? Here he is picking up a male escort and using racial slurs. These sorts of things could be used…

As I have said for years, our current systems rely on the inefficiency of an attacker.

Progress in technology ruins that illusion.

Want to play some heads up poker or chess with someone? How sure are you they aren't getting instructions from a program through some means?

Don't have anything to hide? How about an AI to dig up plausible sounding parallel construction stories to convince a jury?

And in a few decades we're talking about flirting, humor, writing stories, producing any sort of content.

There will be a time when a lot of these false positives will still be accepted, until people just stop trusting EVERYTHING.

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We've always had to discuss what the facts are - the extreme bias between newspapers and TV channels picking and choosing facts to provide to their users, even on the same news stories - news source A chooses not to provide background info, news source B chooses to provide background info from one primary source only, news source C chooses to provide background info from another source, news source D chooses to provi…

>We've always had to discuss what the facts are - the extreme bias between newspapers That's an assertion, but others say otherwise. According to this video below, Americans have argued values in the past, but agreed on the facts. E.g. global warming. People agreed it was happening, but differed in what and whether to do about it. Today, we dispute its very factuality. https://youtu.be/XirnEfkdQJM

That video of the past was faked.

And the experts you cite that say it is real are in on it.

It's the Establishment trying to suppress the truth. That's what they say today. With more technology, the underdog with AI can beat the Establishment in a few weeks. And there will not be any way to distinguish what's true anymore than you can distinguish a chess line played by AlphaGo vs any other really good chess line.

Re: AI-assisted fake porn are being used by people on Reddit for self-completion

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Video itself is not enough information. We need a cryptographic way to capture and archive corroborating signals at the time video is recorded. Perhaps there is a verifiable means of determining the geographic location, background radiation and orientation of the cameras taking the video which would be nigh impossible to spoof.
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