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Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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Every third order my company receives from Nigeria is a scam. The cheap, effective and over reaching solution to this issue is to simply stop shipping to Nigeria. This is the path I chose and the one that most small business owners will choose. Perhaps we're missing out on some money but the cost in time and effort to capture that little bit of money isn't worth it relative to other projects. I'm in business to ship…

>>> I believe what I'm saying here is what most are thinking, but won't say

I'm not thinking that, and if I was I would slit my risks for being a douche. If you think Halliburton, Goldman Sachs, or Google|Apple|Microsoft|Oracle are a step up then, well, that's stoopid

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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I think the main reasons Africa hasn't produced global scale startups is that they (global scale startups) are so rare you really need everything to be in your favor AND to have a lot of luck for a startup to become a global success.

What unique advantage does being from Africa give you? I'm assuming you are clever and lucky - but there are a lot of clever, lucky people around who also have access to friends with huge amounts of capital (eg, Silicon Valley) or cheap programming talent (Bangalore) or a positive start-up culture (Israel) or government backing (endless incubators around the world).

Some advantages I could see being in Africa (and I'm hardly an expert!):

There appear to be a large number of state-run monopoly businesses that could be undercut by a cheaper, faster startup. My understanding is that this is how a lot of the successful African telecom businesses got their start. That's a good advantage, because state monopolies are very slow to react.

Cheap natural resources. I'm from Australia, and a large amount of custom software development here is related to what is essentially counting rocks being pulled out of the ground or wool of sheep (etc etc) and making sure it does to the correct places. I'd expect it is the same in Africa, and there maybe local opportunities there that give you a big advantage.

Anyway - I don't know, but I am really interested. Why would PG be interested in African startups? What advantage do they have that would make them worth investing in?

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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I am Nigerian now living in NY. I used to run a successful Internet Cafe at Yaba,Lagos. Before Nigeria and most other African countries can join the tech startup world some big infrastructure issues needs to be addressed.

While I was running the internet cafe, the bigger problems I had to deal with had nothing to do with my line of business.

I had to bribe employees of the electric company (NEPA) to hook me up to a more reliable power line where electricity is more stable. Stable electricity in Lagos means you get it like 6 hours a day. The rest of day, you had to power your business with Generators. For the Generators, we had to buy drums of diesel to keep them running. Buying diesel was something else because Lagos always had a fuel shortage going on. We had to buy tank loads of water to keep the business location clean because otherwise we had no running tap water. I had to deal with thugs showing up every now and then, asking me to pay for street protection. With all these problems how do you focus on your startup and grow your business.

My wishlist for Nigeria will be a wireless internet solution that is cheap and can reach the whole country, the type that the company Teledesic tried to provide. Also an Energy solution that will free us from evil Oil companies and evil electric company. Something you could just plug in and get cheap, clean, efficient enegry to run your entire business. But thats just what my wishful thinking. When we can have that, we will see more startups from Africa.

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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I think the asker is making the classic error of "the exception does not invalidate the rule". Is it possible to do such a thing out of Africa/Nigeria? Probably. Would it be much harder to do so than in many other more developed/western countries? Most definitely. But this doesn't mean an entrepreneur or investor should be dissuaded from doing such a thing, especially if you are a native of such a country. Instead, probably the more that native residents of any country try to build something new and innovative and bootstrap a new empire, the better -- for everybody concerned.

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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Another thing oo, PG doesn't know Africa like you and I do, so I don't think his statement is the final word on African startups. Lets prove him wrong. (rolling up sleeves....)

Warren Buffet once said, invest in what you know.

Exactly. And the more African entrepreneurs come up with innovations and reforms and new products/services to try to reduce Africa's problems -- while hopefully making a profit and building a big business out of it -- the better off Africa is going to be. Use foreign resources where useful, but the more that Africans drive it and control it the more long-term benefits it's going to yield especially in terms of role models and morale and self-respect and making sure things are done in a way that's consistent with the values of local culture and traditions.

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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There is one very widely held theory that no one is voicing here. http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

I can't find any professional or academic links to or from this paper. Do you have any more resources?

Specifically, I'm interested in the sources for their data. This was a fascinating paper.

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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post #52

I think the main reasons Africa hasn't produced global scale startups is that they (global scale startups) are so rare you really need everything to be in your favor AND to have a lot of luck for a startup to become a global success. What unique advantage does being from Africa give you? I'm assuming you are clever and lucky - but there are a lot of clever, lucky people around who also have access to friends with hug…

Re: "What unique advantage does being from Africa give you?"

I am in Cape Town, South Africa and let me tell you it is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, with a university producing decent CS graduates (Mark Shuttleworth), beautiful weather, vineyards on our doorstep, plenty of African color and positive energy, terrific advertising talent, and the typical South African work ethic. South Africans love work.

To answer your question, what unique advantage does being from Africa give you?

Objectivity.

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget causation, there's not even correlation there. What about all the startups in China, India, Russia?

I think some of the other commenters addressed this well, but as for Russia, it's a terrible example and has a lot of the same problems that Nigeria appears to; Newsweek just ran an article on the subject: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/14/putin-s-russia-exile-busi... . As for China and India, both countries have GDPs that have been growing at 10% per year for more than two decades, and not purely from oil or other…

Re: your last point - you'll notice several Chinese companies in the top 20 of this list: http://www.alexa.com/topsites

Re: Ask PG: Why do you think Africa cannot produce global scale start ups?

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First of all I would apologise for not responding since. I foolishly forgot to remove my noprocast setting so I was essentially locked out of hacker news while this has been up.

I would like to point out that I worded my question poorly. I do not agree Nigeria/Africa cannot create world class startups. I meant to say like RobFitz pointed out below: Why does PG and others like him capable of change write off a whole continent without trying.

Nevertheless, you guys as usual have got an amazing discussion going. Thank you!

I fully understand the points a lot of you have raised and it boils down to two things.

1: Lack of Trust 2: Lack of infrastructure (Legal, Human resources, Power, e.t.c)

In my book, I thought an identifiable problem breeds opportunity. We have a market western countries are unwilling to serve because the perceived risk outweighs the perceived opportunity. America had the highest fraud but is not blacklisted because the opportunity outweighs the risk and I believe it is the same for Nigeria/Africa. I believe there is an opportunity for our local companies to act as local representatives of existing global companies and combine local knowledge with international skill to create businesses back in Nigeria/Africa.

I do not think location matters in creating a product that has potential as anyone can launch a Rapportive from anywhere in the world. Of course it matters when scaling it.

From what I have seen, our greatest challenge stems from the fact that our people are trying to succeed against the odds. We do not have access to mentors or education that will help us tackle these problems so we are left at a very bad advantage. We struggle to have belief on ourselves because people we look up to have written us off. We have a long rough road ahead and we will trudge on. one day we will succeed. All I ask is for people like PG (who still hasn't responded) and HN'ers to have a little faith in us. Believe me, it helps.

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