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Re: Frontmacs

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Post by Robdel12 »

forvelin wrote: post #2

Some screenshots could be nice, probably most people are not tend to try it out until they see a screenshot. Anyway, I am a simple man. I see people using Emacs and I become happy.

Hi forvelin! I'm one of the devs that helped create frontmacs. This is a great idea and something I generally like doing. I do it on my own emacs config: https://github.com/Robdel12/.emacs.d

Judging from the comments we didn't do a very good job at messaging that while this is a starter pack, it's also meant for you to build on top of and customize. My config does not use the default theme and tweaks a couple of settings.

We intended frontmacs to be something _like_ prelude but make updating the core packages easier (rather than pulling in the changes from upstream & solving merge conflicts). We wanted nice defaults that you could then build on top of.

Re: Frontmacs

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Post by jimyl »

nukeop wrote: post #22

After years of using other people's configs, I found that they never really fit my way of working completely and they're filled with things I don't understand and/or don't use. I think most people will want to use their own configs after a while, and that's one of emacs's greatest strengths. Nowadays we have multiple package repositories and multiple ways of configuring it to suit your tastes. I also find the descrip…

> I think most people will want to use their own configs after a while

"after a while". Agree. I think they are called "starter kits" for a reason :).

> I also find the description filled with buzzwords and buzz-phrases to the point where it becomes meaningless.

I have looked into their config today. Nothing very amazing, but indeed a better default experience. It's much simpler (compared to Spacemacs) which I think is more beginner friendly.

Re: Frontmacs

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Post by vinceguidry »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #21

I have mixed feelings about emacs starter kits. On the one hand I'm always happy that more people might discover emacs. It's quite simply the most powerful text editor out there. Hands down. I could not imagine using a computer seriously without emacs. On the other hand, the power of emacs comes from the fact that it's essentially a lisp interpreter which is good at doing text editor stuff. If you abstract this away…

Emacs is a programming language with it's own text editor built in. Like every other programming language on the planet, it benefits from dependency management and source code management.

Getting all of our tools into similar management forms ultimately makes all of coding more accessible.

Re: Frontmacs

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Post by wyuenho »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #21

I have mixed feelings about emacs starter kits. On the one hand I'm always happy that more people might discover emacs. It's quite simply the most powerful text editor out there. Hands down. I could not imagine using a computer seriously without emacs. On the other hand, the power of emacs comes from the fact that it's essentially a lisp interpreter which is good at doing text editor stuff. If you abstract this away…

I've been using emacs for over a decade now and I have yet to reach this state of nirvana. I do want to understand every line of elisp and I've been doing a lot of elisp recently. But then again, I also have work to do, and I realize all I've been trying to achieve with my emacs config in the past 10 years is to make it work like a modern IDE. Which is perfect, because the reason I switched to Emacs in the first place is I just needed an IDE that I could fix.

However, ever since Sublime and now VS Code came about, I've been having this internal debate of whether I should just switch to a text editor that I can fix, but come configured sensibly OOTB, and let sunk time costs be. This used to be a tall order but VS Code seems to be really close to this ideal now.

Re: Frontmacs

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Post by ghggu6666 »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #21

I have mixed feelings about emacs starter kits. On the one hand I'm always happy that more people might discover emacs. It's quite simply the most powerful text editor out there. Hands down. I could not imagine using a computer seriously without emacs. On the other hand, the power of emacs comes from the fact that it's essentially a lisp interpreter which is good at doing text editor stuff. If you abstract this away…

I guess I see it as a Spacemacs user or Frontmacs user decided that was the way to make Emacs “their own”, less in an emotional sense and more of a utilitarian “this will do the job nicely for me”.

I got into Linux with Mandrake. A year later I was running Slack.

Not everyone sticks with their first tool when starting out

Re: Frontmacs

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Post by PurpleRamen »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #21

I have mixed feelings about emacs starter kits. On the one hand I'm always happy that more people might discover emacs. It's quite simply the most powerful text editor out there. Hands down. I could not imagine using a computer seriously without emacs. On the other hand, the power of emacs comes from the fact that it's essentially a lisp interpreter which is good at doing text editor stuff. If you abstract this away…

I know what you mean. I started emacs spacemacs, be cause for me it was the better vim. But with time I got fed up with the bloat of spacemacs and so many details which I can't controll for my personal ways. Now I roll my own fork of spacemacs, tweak it the way I want and still have some external help with the occasional merge from spacemacs-repo.

If this frontmacs grown in the proper direction to support a effortless mix of own and external settings, then it could become even more important than spacemacs for the community and growth of emacs.

Re: Frontmacs

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Post by PurpleRamen »

vinceguidry wrote: post #54
cup-of-tea wrote: post #21

I have mixed feelings about emacs starter kits. On the one hand I'm always happy that more people might discover emacs. It's quite simply the most powerful text editor out there. Hands down. I could not imagine using a computer seriously without emacs. On the other hand, the power of emacs comes from the fact that it's essentially a lisp interpreter which is good at doing text editor stuff. If you abstract this away…

Emacs is a programming language with it's own text editor built in. Like every other programming language on the planet, it benefits from dependency management and source code management. Getting all of our tools into similar management forms ultimately makes all of coding more accessible.

elisp ist the programming language. Emacs is an environment with text-oriented interface. Pretty much like modern browsers, just more mature. One could even say, Emacs is the spiritual ancestor of the electron-framework.
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