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Why I Still Use Vim

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Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by interfixus »

Look, Electron is a disaster. It's a lazy, bummed-out way of blasting sparrows with tactical nukes.

I'm not sure I even understand the reasoning behind the thing. Yeah, fine, we want to do the web-thing in a desktop applikation. But then why a whole Chrome with a showroom of kitchen sinks? We can still run an html-stack without gobbling up every ressource in sight, you know.

I'm looking at this HN page in latest Firefox (and assuming Chrome would be much the same). And in another window the same page in Netsurf (http://www.netsurf-browser.org). One needs half a gigabyte and then some. The other does fine in 50MB.

Plenty of stuff which gets wrapped in Electron actually works without a hitch in Netsurf and similar minimalistic environments.

Professional pride, anyone?

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by bhouston »

iDemonix wrote: post #16

I really wanted to like Atom, but it always felt unfinished and clunky with crashes/freezing/locking becoming more of a regular occurrence with the more plugins or extensions you use. It's one saving grace is that I thought Sublime was a bit bulky/memory hungry, but Atom gave me a new found appreciation for Sublime which I'm now back in love with!

It is nice if you incorporate an opinionated code formatter into your git pre-commit scripts and also into the editor itself.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by raverbashing »

apatters wrote: post #22

People can mount whatever defense they like of Electron, but the bottom line is, I think twice before I adopt any new Electron app. My daily drivers are a desktop replacement with 8gb of ram and an ultra-portable machine with 4gb. On 4gb it only takes a couple of Electron apps to eat half of my ram or more. Factor in the OS and a browser or two and it's already swapping. These are often just chat apps or something, t…

I wonder if we'll see a Mozilla engine based Electron (or simply not the latest Chromium engine, which gets bigger and slower with every passing day)

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by rodorgas »

drinchev wrote: post #11

As far as I can see from this article, Sublime text is faster than vim. That's astonishing considering that Sublime uses GUI and vim is a console editor. I also like vim, but Sublime + vintage ( vim-mode ) works good and you have the benefits of both worlds.

Sublime is only faster in startup time. It’s slower than vim on all others charts.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by hobofan »

raverbashing wrote: post #33
apatters wrote: post #22

People can mount whatever defense they like of Electron, but the bottom line is, I think twice before I adopt any new Electron app. My daily drivers are a desktop replacement with 8gb of ram and an ultra-portable machine with 4gb. On 4gb it only takes a couple of Electron apps to eat half of my ram or more. Factor in the OS and a browser or two and it's already swapping. These are often just chat apps or something, t…

I wonder if we'll see a Mozilla engine based Electron (or simply not the latest Chromium engine, which gets bigger and slower with every passing day)

See https://github.com/browserhtml/browserhtml

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by bitL »

Do you want Atom to use even more memory? Install more plugins! It's so much fun when your computer barely allows mouse cursor to move, and once you manage to start task manager/terminal, you notice 20 instances of Python doing something, spawned by Atom plugins, eating all CPU cycles...

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by proaralyst »

pluma wrote: post #14

This article implies the differences matter. Nope, sorry, the conveniences of VSCode are worth the "cost" for me. I have 32 gigs of RAM and the time I spend opening files doesn't register compared to the time I spend writing or reading code. I do wonder whether the measurements take the base overhead of each editor into account. Do the numbers represent the use per file or the total for the file plus the entire app?

Which features of VSCode in particular do you like?

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by hartator »

twblalock wrote: post #13
hartator wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of shady, I don't think I will write on this platform anymore.

What's shady about asking people to pay for content? It seems like it's pretty much out in the open so you can take it or leave it, not secret or covert or shady in any way.

I haven't heard about it until now. I don't want people to have to pay to read me.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by lvoudour »

pluma wrote: post #14

This article implies the differences matter. Nope, sorry, the conveniences of VSCode are worth the "cost" for me. I have 32 gigs of RAM and the time I spend opening files doesn't register compared to the time I spend writing or reading code. I do wonder whether the measurements take the base overhead of each editor into account. Do the numbers represent the use per file or the total for the file plus the entire app?

>This article implies the differences matter[...]I have 32 gigs

I'm glad it works for you but not everyone is willing or has the budget to max out their system's memory in order to run text editors and chat applications. You can run multiple CADs and simulators side by side with half the amount of ram. The difference matters if ram is a precious commodity and for many people, especially on laptops, it is.

I understand the need for a hassle-free multi-platform experience, but there should be a better way to accomplish it than this wasteful approach.

I mean, sublime does it really well without the backing of behemoths like Microsoft.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by checkgeeves »

drinchev wrote: post #11

As far as I can see from this article, Sublime text is faster than vim. That's astonishing considering that Sublime uses GUI and vim is a console editor. I also like vim, but Sublime + vintage ( vim-mode ) works good and you have the benefits of both worlds.

Vim still runs in the same GUI environment tho, e.g gnome-terminal is no less of a GUI app than gnome-web or chrome (webview).
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