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German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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LOL they managed to get reuters.

Banning messages via NetzDG is on message basis, that means single tweets get removed.

Here a whole account got banned which is twitter SOP when accounts violate their TOS.

Because the new NetzDG came into effect this month now every media in germany is confused. Seems like the international ones follow suit.

Also the Titanic account (the satire account) got - wrongly - banned some time before so it propably was some kind of repeat offender thing

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Twitter should not enforce ridiculous German laws. The tech companies need to call the bluff of countries that demand censorship.

That's such a juvenile reaction... Germany is considering a stable, open, democratic, peaceful, constructive and successful country. There are any number of rankings/scoring regarding freedom of the press and of expression, resilience to corruption, democracy, economic opportunity etc in which Germany scores better than the US. These are laws passed by the national parliament, elected to represent its constituents. T…

>That's such a juvenile reaction...

Ban this user for ageism /s

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There's no dilema. It's just an excuse for control. Letting Nazis speak will not actually convert modern society into Nazis.

It happened 70 years ago. Obama has a good line, something similar to: If you were in a restaurant in 1930s Vienna surrounded by great art, music and intellectuals you may have been forgiven for thinking that wonderful setting would continue on forever. Unfortunately, a short time later millions we're dying on a continent engulfed in war. When the stock market is up we think it'll keep going up. When we have peace we…

It was much more than just speech which caused all that.

Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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This is exactly the moral dilemma with free speech vs hate speech. Do you use fascist techniques like criminalizing speech to stop the spread of fascist ideas? Or do you simply hope fascist ideas don't take hold? The former is a scary slippery slope but Germany doesn't have a great track record with the latter.

> criminalizing speech to stop the spread of fascist ideas i wonder... is that actually something that works? or does it just mean fascist ideas gain a more polite presentation?

The thing is it does work. Because it forces the rotten core of the ideas to the forefront. It's the difference between having to enumerate all the people the mob think should be dead (which ironically is probably a collection of disjointed sets) vs just waving a flag and gathering all that hate anyone. By criminalizing specific icons of hate, you can rob those who would build a following from using them as a rallying point.

Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

#55

LOL they managed to get reuters. Banning messages via NetzDG is on message basis, that means single tweets get removed. Here a whole account got banned which is twitter SOP when accounts violate their TOS. Because the new NetzDG came into effect this month now every media in germany is confused. Seems like the international ones follow suit. Also the Titanic account (the satire account) got - wrongly - banned some ti…

I think the article is saying Twitter banned the account at least partly as a consequence of the legislation, because they were worried about being fined.

Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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Germany does have a good record with the former considering that they've completely denazified themselves while remaining a liberal democracy. The fact is that Germany is the perfect counterpoint to the, frankly tired, slippery slope arguments made by the libertarians of Silicon Valley. And I enjoy seeing them try to explain it.

Walking in any major city in Germany you can find young neo-Nazis. I would agree that they are good at clamping down on any symbolism, but the ideas are unfortunately still there.

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Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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The problem with hate speech laws are, it means you can't insult everyone equally. If you call someone stupid, they could accuse you of a crime, but you're not calling them stupid because of their race.

And I want people who actually are racist to talk, so I know who I don't want to be friends with. If they're all keeping their racist opinions to themselves, I might waste a bunch of time being their friends. And I can't correct them when they're wrong if they don't expose their opinions.

And what about having an argument? Someone could accuse you of a crime if they misinterpret what you say. That's the real problem here. You can say something with no hateful intent, but people can interpret it with vigorous hate. It's a really stupid law.

Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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This is exactly the moral dilemma with free speech vs hate speech. Do you use fascist techniques like criminalizing speech to stop the spread of fascist ideas? Or do you simply hope fascist ideas don't take hold? The former is a scary slippery slope but Germany doesn't have a great track record with the latter.

Germany does have a good record with the former considering that they've completely denazified themselves while remaining a liberal democracy. The fact is that Germany is the perfect counterpoint to the, frankly tired, slippery slope arguments made by the libertarians of Silicon Valley. And I enjoy seeing them try to explain it.

Germany generally has more members of the far right than than the UK and France, despite having laws against expressing these ideas.

Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account

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Germany does have a good record with the former considering that they've completely denazified themselves while remaining a liberal democracy. The fact is that Germany is the perfect counterpoint to the, frankly tired, slippery slope arguments made by the libertarians of Silicon Valley. And I enjoy seeing them try to explain it.

Walking in any major city in Germany you can find young neo-Nazis. I would agree that they are good at clamping down on any symbolism, but the ideas are unfortunately still there.

I can just as easily say "walking in any major US city, you can find young male black thugs. . ." And then use that as a justification to ban many rap lyrics on the basis of "hate speech".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no dilema. It's just an excuse for control. Letting Nazis speak will not actually convert modern society into Nazis.

It happened 70 years ago. Obama has a good line, something similar to: If you were in a restaurant in 1930s Vienna surrounded by great art, music and intellectuals you may have been forgiven for thinking that wonderful setting would continue on forever. Unfortunately, a short time later millions we're dying on a continent engulfed in war. When the stock market is up we think it'll keep going up. When we have peace we…

If you were in a restaurant in 1930s Vienna surrounded by great art, music and intellectual

Or 00’s Tripoli with free healthcare and education ...

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