German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
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Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#2Whether the satirical Twitter account should be shut down or not ... satire's not very effective per Malcolm Gladwell's "Revisionist History" podcast at [0] (automated lossy transcript at [1]) ... targets of the satire often find the satire humorous themselves, and can find enough "truth" in exaggerated viewpoints to reinforce those views rather than call them into question.
[0] http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/10-the-satire-paradox [1] https://blog.simonsays.ai/satire-paradox-with-malcolm-gladwe...
Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#3Heh, I still can't believe they have "outlawed racism". That's like outlawing any other political opinion. How is that possible?
Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#4Heh, I still can't believe they have "outlawed racism". That's like outlawing any other political opinion. How is that possible?
Since it makes people fear for their lives.
Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#5The NetzDG in its current form is a disgrace for the state of law. I think an improvement in this area would be needed, but the NetzDG law is mind-boggingly stupid and inaccurately formulated.
Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#6Whether the satirical Twitter account should be shut down or not ... satire's not very effective per Malcolm Gladwell's "Revisionist History" podcast at [0] (automated lossy transcript at [1]) ... targets of the satire often find the satire humorous themselves, and can find enough "truth" in exaggerated viewpoints to reinforce those views rather than call them into question. [0] http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes…
Whether or not speech is effective at achieving its ultimate goal is an entirely irrelevant issue here. "Hate Speech" is extremely ineffective at promoting hate, but here we are.
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#7Heh, I still can't believe they have "outlawed racism". That's like outlawing any other political opinion. How is that possible?
Racism is not a political opinion. Political opinions are along the lines of "are my taxes too high" or "do we spend more on parks or on police".
A belief in the inferiority of another race isn't political, it's something else. I don't know what, but discriminatory and bigoted beliefs don't belong in political discussions or any discussions about how we govern ourselves or organize society.
Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#8This is exactly the moral dilemma with free speech vs hate speech.
Do you use fascist techniques like criminalizing speech to stop the spread of fascist ideas? Or do you simply hope fascist ideas don't take hold?
The former is a scary slippery slope but Germany doesn't have a great track record with the latter.
Re: German hate speech law tested as Twitter blocks satire account
#9Heh, I still can't believe they have "outlawed racism". That's like outlawing any other political opinion. How is that possible?
Racism is not a political opinion. Political opinions are along the lines of "are my taxes too high" or "do we spend more on parks or on police". A belief in the inferiority of another race isn't political, it's something else. I don't know what, but discriminatory and bigoted beliefs don't belong in political discussions or any discussions about how we govern ourselves or organize society.
Racism does not have to be about "the inferiority of another race". Racism can be "I don't think it's good for the economy that so many people from outside are coming" or "this culture is completely incompatible with ours and I don't want these people here". It's a pretty lax word. By outlawing "racism" you're outlawing discourse.
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