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Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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> If this law does pass, I believe those being asked to leave should sue the US for repayment of Social security and Medicare taxes paid Uh, they’ll lose, but I guess some lawyers will make some money. > after all they're non resident aliens and should be taxed as such. They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US.

"They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US." --> incorrect. Look up 1040-NR. As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare. So, H1-B is basically the taxation of a resident, BUT rights of a non-resident [no access to social safety net, or voice in political system by means of voting]. I'm all for uniform policies, tax non-residents as non-res…

> Look up 1040-NR

1040-NR is an income tax form, and has basically nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare taxes, which are payroll taxes rather than income tax. They do show up onninckme tax forms when paid as self-employment (including the 1040-NR, where presumably they would not appear if they did not apply to nonresident aliens.)

> As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare.

Incorrect, from the IRS: “Wages paid to nonresident aliens employed within the United States by an American or foreign employer, in general, are subject to Social Security/Medicare taxes for services performed by them within the United States” [1]

[1] from https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/alie... which also provides details of the exceptions that apply to certain work in certain non-immigrant visa categories.

Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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I'm a bit biased since I'm an american software developer, but how is the h1b program any good for americans? If the government/companies' complaint is that we don't have enough home grown talent, then what incentive is there for government/companies to invest in americans? Why not get rid of the h1b program so that the government and american companies are forced to train/invest in americans and american children? I…

The program exists so that America can stay on top. The best 5% of programmers in the world work here because it’s the best pay and the best problems. You know how FAANG are the only companies actually doing really well on the stock market these days? It’s because some of the most talented people in the world work for them. Not just the best Americans. The best people in the world. We (as in non Americans) chose to m…

That's clearly good for some American businesses and their customers, but that doesn't mean it's good for American workers. A teacher in Kansas City might benefit from more rapidly developed, higher quality consumer software, and other cheaper, more competitive goods. A teacher in California will get higher rent and more traffic.

Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit biased since I'm an american software developer, but how is the h1b program any good for americans? If the government/companies' complaint is that we don't have enough home grown talent, then what incentive is there for government/companies to invest in americans? Why not get rid of the h1b program so that the government and american companies are forced to train/invest in americans and american children? I…

The program exists so that America can stay on top. The best 5% of programmers in the world work here because it’s the best pay and the best problems. You know how FAANG are the only companies actually doing really well on the stock market these days? It’s because some of the most talented people in the world work for them. Not just the best Americans. The best people in the world. We (as in non Americans) chose to m…

> You know how FAANG are the only companies actually doing really well on the stock market these days?

Only? No. They've done better than most but all major stocks are up. We are in a mega stock boom at the moment.

> It’s because some of the most talented people in the world work for them. Not just the best Americans.

Most of it is because of americans. Even if h1b visa was shut down, none of the FAANG are going to suffer.

> It’s because some of the most talented people in the world work for them. Not just the best Americans. The best people in the world.

That's my point. Isn't it evil to take "talented people" from part of the world that needs them the most?

> America’s roots is in immigration.

Our roots aren't in immigration. Our roots are in invasion and conquest. I know this is a touchy subject but we aren't a nation of immigrants. This country wasn't created by immigrants. We have exploited immigrants for sure, but I just disagree with the false notion that our roots are in immigration.

The founding fathers were highly anti-immigrant and quite xenophobic. And ever since the founding there have been series of anti-immigration laws. I'd gladly provide sources if you are curious.

Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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"They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US." --> incorrect. Look up 1040-NR. As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare. So, H1-B is basically the taxation of a resident, BUT rights of a non-resident [no access to social safety net, or voice in political system by means of voting]. I'm all for uniform policies, tax non-residents as non-res…

> Look up 1040-NR 1040-NR is an income tax form, and has basically nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare taxes, which are payroll taxes rather than income tax. They do show up onninckme tax forms when paid as self-employment (including the 1040-NR, where presumably they would not appear if they did not apply to nonresident aliens.) > As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and me…

From your own citation, "F-visas, J-visas, M-visas, Q-visas" are exempt because the classification of these holders is "non-resident aliens". H1-B is a temporary work visa and should be classified like the others exempt from paying these taxes. It's a FUCKING double edged sword where the U.S. govt eviscerates foreign workers of taxes designed for U.S. citizens with NONE of the benefits of citizenship. Just fucking be uniform.

If you're going to exploit foreigners, at least tax them accordingly. Or, offer these skilled immigrants a reasonable path to residency, and tax them like citizens.

Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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This is absurd. People on H1-B pay taxes like Americans - i.e Social security, Medicare, State, federal, sales, property... They're, however, not eligible for ANY of the social safety net they subsidize America for, (no social security, unemployment, Medicare, etc). They're overwhelmingly peaceful, law abiding residents with higher education, most earning in the top 5%. Abuse of the system is not by the recipients, b…

> if this is squarely an anti-India policy

This is pure racism against brown people despite them being ideal immigrants. But tariffs don't hurt Trump. It hurts American companies but hurts Indians even more.

The best response here is to give a full tax break to American companies who would be willing to move to India. Ideally open a red carpet, get rid of all tariffs and give all the freedom American companies ask for.

Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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It's worth clarifying a few details here since most people aren't aware of them. - this move is going to deport people with approved green-card applications (i140), the standards for which are much more stringent than the standards for the h1b program - this move affects only Indian citizens and no one else. Not China, not Mexico, not Pakistan, only India. - The reason why Indian citizens are being affected by this,…

Correct and it really depresses me that no media even bothers report that this rule will not affect anyone but Indians for being Indian and good at their job.

(A lot of people claim that H1B are cheap labor but it is worth noting that China, Phillipines, Vietnaam, Pakistan and dozens of other countries have poor people but unable to enter tech the way Indians have. That itself goes to show that whatever reason why American companies want H1B, Indians are damn good at it).

Re: Trump considers H-1B visa tweak that may lead to mass deportation of Indians

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit biased since I'm an american software developer, but how is the h1b program any good for americans? If the government/companies' complaint is that we don't have enough home grown talent, then what incentive is there for government/companies to invest in americans? Why not get rid of the h1b program so that the government and american companies are forced to train/invest in americans and american children? I…

The program exists so that America can stay on top. The best 5% of programmers in the world work here because it’s the best pay and the best problems. You know how FAANG are the only companies actually doing really well on the stock market these days? It’s because some of the most talented people in the world work for them. Not just the best Americans. The best people in the world. We (as in non Americans) chose to m…

OT: hey brad0, I read your story at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15842501 finally… just happened to stumble across it when looking through my old comments. Thanks for sharing that; it was very interesting.
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