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Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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But the title clearly says EV Cannonball Run Record , how is that unclear?

Hmm, either the title changed after I started writing the comment, or more likely I totally missed EV from it! Sorry if it's the latter..

Don't feel bad, I had to read it twice to spot the EV in the title.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

Musk DOES have a lot of support. I personally suspect much of the negativity comes from backlash caused by him having a legion of fanboys. Whenever someone gets idolized like I have often seen Musk as, haters come out in reaction.

Tesla's marketing is always misleading. That irks people and from there comes the "negativity". When the Model S came out, they tried to claim that they had "solved EVs". When they introduced their self driving tech, they pretty much implied that keeping your hands on the wheel was only a legal technicality. They are always trying to claim they are two more steps ahead than they really are. I understand that it is their job to do just that, but we don't have to believe them, and if we don't, that is not really "negativity". For example with the Model 3, they achieved just about what what Chevy did with the Bolt, in terms of price and range, which is good, but if you believed their marketing, you'd expect them to be far ahead of their competition.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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I'm a Tesla fan, but in the middle of the article, it says: "The two completed the cross-country drive in 50 hours and 16 minutes, setting a new electric Cannonball Run record." That's not quite the same as the headline... It looks like petrol cars have done it in under 27 hours http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/ny-la-26-hours-28-m...

For people who don't follow this, records for the cannonball run are usually always a few years old (people wait to announce hoping the statue of limitations expires, or at least makes it less likely). That said, its unlikely to change too much, most recent records were done in wildly expensive cars (retrofitted with additional gas tanks, radar, police scanners, etc), and usually include aerial support for the entire trip to scan for speedtraps and the like.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

Even stranger to me: I'm French and we're world-class haters. Like, culturally conditioned to be dismissive of success, always seeing something negative when people achieve big things (they must have been crooked in some shape or form along the way, they exploited others, etc). There used to be a time where American people were different in that regard. Celebrating success, entrepreneurs, daring mavericks, etc. Now a…

America? No. HN? Definitely yes.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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based on some random youtube video, production went from zero to 150 to 350 over the last months. grain of salt etc etc

Per day? So around one to three years for the delivery of 150 000 cars.

Look at the rate of growth, not the current rate of manufacture.

How much further can they ramp up? That is the pertinent question.

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There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

You are sort of getting into "we would be better off without the internet" territory, which is a very difficult argument to make for either side. Tesla and Space X engineers would not have been able to achieve what they have without Google. The Arab Spring might not have happened without Twitter. But yeah we can just throw FB in the trash...

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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> There are people that say he's all talk I really wish there is stronger support for him against these sorts of people. How can he be all talk when we see his rockets going up and coming back down.

Well first of all they're not his rockets. The engineers and scientists did it, he supplies the money, arguably a meritless in ck prison. Second, there are many promises he still hasn't delivered on: SpaceX targets not met, Tesla still running at a massive loss, Hyperloop being doomed to failure, etc etc. I can definitely see why people say he is mostly talk, even though admittedly he has achieved some successes.

Neil Armstrong didn't build the rockets or the shuttle so I guess he's also a bum.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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post #13

I'm a Tesla fan, but in the middle of the article, it says: "The two completed the cross-country drive in 50 hours and 16 minutes, setting a new electric Cannonball Run record." That's not quite the same as the headline... It looks like petrol cars have done it in under 27 hours http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/ny-la-26-hours-28-m...

> It looks like petrol cars have done it in under 27 hours

With pretty insane modding though. The previous record (in 28:50) was done by "just" adding fuel tanks in the trunk and laser jammers: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/31/us/new-york-los-angeles-ca...

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Musk isn't a PR guy, and I think a lot of people respect and like him for that. He makes crazy "moonshots", he has a vision and doesn't tone it down nearly as much as others do, and he's not afraid to be "wrong". The SpaceX community has a running joke about "elon time" being set to mars time, because his predictions and goals are almost always late (and are often under delivering), but I honestly respect that. Him a…

Musk is a genius at PR: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/945712432416137217 Saw this yesterday when someone threw together a quick article on all of the gushing responses from customers to this tweet. How can you say someone nicknamed "the real world Iron Man" is bad at PR?

I think they meant PR-only guy. His PR genius is in using his fan following for free PR. Tesla or SpaceX hardly need to spend any marketing dollars.

No other tech leader is as charismatic (Steve Jobs came close, but Musk seems more genuine whereas Jobs felt like a salesman) and very few are as personally intelligent and accomplished.

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The Tesla 3s that are currently getting delivered to customers are up to $20k more expensive than the Bolt. That people see the two cars as more or less equivalent is a massive success for GM.

Yes, but isn't the Model 3 supposed to sell for around 35 to 40k $ when it reaches a bigger production? That was my comparison.

35k will be the base. They are starting the production ramp with a single, more expensive options package.
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