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Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by the-dude »

westmeal wrote: post #9

I know, I know this is anecdotal 'evidence'. I happen to be 21 which fits me right in this generation and the main reason this occurs is due to parenting. My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. By that time I was completely and utterly addicted to computing to just let go and 'hang out'. As a matter in fact most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life. It…

Here you have a 'counterdote' : I am 43.

After the first year of high school ( I was 13 ), we were allowed to travel to the other side of the country by train, sleep in a youth hostel and return at the end of the next day.

This is NL, the other side of the country is only 350km.

When we tell younger friends, they refuse to believe.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by dawhizkid »

I wonder why the "young adult nightlife experience" feels so stagnant. I like going to the occasional upscale cocktail bar, but in general spending Friday or Saturday night in a crowded bar or club is not my idea of a fun thing to do. What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home?

I went to Copenhagen recently and on a Friday night came across a big coffee/beer+wine place with lots of tables/sofas that was packed with people drinking beer and playing board games. It seems like such an obvious concept/nightlife alternative for people who don't want to stay home but don't want to go to a loud bar. Doesn't seem to exist in the U.S. as far as I know.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by c8d3f7b49897918 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #2

I have a theory that introversion and extraversion don't really exist as personality traits, and that we build up preferences out of existing culture about how much social interaction we want in our daily lives. If the culture changes, then so will our preferences. I can easily imagine a world in which I'm gregarious and fun all the time. Making that world happen on the other hand...

Extraversion/Introversion is one of the big five personality traits and is ~50% heritable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#He...

That's not to say introversion/extraversion wouldn't manifest differently in different contexts, but the trait does exist (as much as any personality trait does) and appears to have a large genetic component to it.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by PotatoMatch »

FussyZeus wrote: post #3

I think a decent portion should also be laid at the feet of technology in general, not even just Netflix, but also that how teens interact on social media is more or less in the public (and their parents) eyes, with the exceptions of things like Snapchat which isn't very conducive to planning a party. It's also worth noting that it's much, much harder for teens to get ahold of booze these days, and the penalties for…

The parties aren't a bad thing, but the article also mentions teens hang out with friends less. Good relationships are important to our health and life satisfaction, and it's a shame kids are missing out on learning the social skills that encourage good relationships.

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Post by donatj »

FussyZeus wrote: post #3

I think a decent portion should also be laid at the feet of technology in general, not even just Netflix, but also that how teens interact on social media is more or less in the public (and their parents) eyes, with the exceptions of things like Snapchat which isn't very conducive to planning a party. It's also worth noting that it's much, much harder for teens to get ahold of booze these days, and the penalties for…

> it's much, much harder for teens to get ahold of booze these days

Which I think is foolish. Of course total prohibition followed by total access a day later leads to abuse and binging. It’s simply stupid. I’d had decent, safe access to alcohol for a while before my twenty first rolled around, and as a consequence had no desire to drink until I die of alcohol poisoning when it was legal.

I don’t know exactly how to implement it but I think we should have a graduated system, like let 17 year olds buy 3.2 beer, and work it’s way up from there. Let kids get their sea legs before throwing them into the deep end.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by swarnie_ »

dawhizkid wrote: post #22

I wonder why the "young adult nightlife experience" feels so stagnant. I like going to the occasional upscale cocktail bar, but in general spending Friday or Saturday night in a crowded bar or club is not my idea of a fun thing to do. What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home? I went to Copenhagen recently and on a Friday night came across a big coffee/beer+wine place with lots of tables/sofas th…

18-21 seems alive and well in the UK but we do have a very odd night life drinking culture.

I found once people get to their 3rd and 4th years of university they can see "Real life" on the horizon and the awful 3am kebab shop behavior largely stops.

Like you've described pub culture is quite popular for the 25-40 bracket. Somewhere you can meet and socialise which is like being at home without pounding music and £8 drinks

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by maroonblazer »

donatj wrote: post #13

I am a total introvert and some of my happiest high school memories involve friends pushing me to go to giant parties that pushed me out of my comfort zone. I would say that there are moments in there which are integral to who I am as a person. I really feel like they’re missing out on a developmental milestone. I almost feel like these kids are brainwashed but that’s probably just me looking in as an outsider. I am…

> I really feel like they’re missing out on a developmental milestone.

Are they though? Those milestones can take many different forms, as evidenced by the fact that "giant parties" are a relatively recent phenomenon, historically speaking.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by temp-dude-87844 »

c8d3f7b49897918 wrote: post #23
vinceguidry wrote: post #2

I have a theory that introversion and extraversion don't really exist as personality traits, and that we build up preferences out of existing culture about how much social interaction we want in our daily lives. If the culture changes, then so will our preferences. I can easily imagine a world in which I'm gregarious and fun all the time. Making that world happen on the other hand...

Extraversion/Introversion is one of the big five personality traits and is ~50% heritable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#He... That's not to say introversion/extraversion wouldn't manifest differently in different contexts, but the trait does exist (as much as any personality trait does) and appears to have a large genetic component to it.

Isn't "~50% heritable" a different way of stating that the results are indistinguishable from a coin flip? That doesn't sound too hereditary.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by vasilipupkin »

the-dude wrote: post #21
westmeal wrote: post #9

I know, I know this is anecdotal 'evidence'. I happen to be 21 which fits me right in this generation and the main reason this occurs is due to parenting. My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. By that time I was completely and utterly addicted to computing to just let go and 'hang out'. As a matter in fact most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life. It…

Here you have a 'counterdote' : I am 43. After the first year of high school ( I was 13 ), we were allowed to travel to the other side of the country by train, sleep in a youth hostel and return at the end of the next day. This is NL, the other side of the country is only 350km. When we tell younger friends, they refuse to believe.

ok, but NL has like zero crime, so it doesn't seem like a big deal

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by the-dude »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #29
the-dude wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you have a 'counterdote' : I am 43. After the first year of high school ( I was 13 ), we were allowed to travel to the other side of the country by train, sleep in a youth hostel and return at the end of the next day. This is NL, the other side of the country is only 350km. When we tell younger friends, they refuse to believe.

ok, but NL has like zero crime, so it doesn't seem like a big deal

True, we have no police either.
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