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A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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Re: A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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Its crazy the amount of money spent on MH370... does anyone know how much it compares to the payout of the victim's families?

Also there's not really much "mystery of MH370." It was almost certainly suicide/murder by the pilot. Though I guess there's no harm confirming that.

'almost certainly'?

Do you have any sources for that? Everything I've read has suggested it as possible but never going stronger than probable

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Makes one wonder just how much money people are willing to spend to find that plane. Not every mystery is worth unlimited funds to resolve.

Like search and rescue operations, these are essentially exercises for defence forces. You can't make opportunities like these.

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Either way, though, the advance of technology may mean that it is the last such mystery. As the oceans are watched with ever closer scrutiny, from space and the depths, it is increasingly difficult for anything to get lost in the first place. Have things changed this much since 2014? What would happen if the exact same scenario happened again (airliner switches off all transponders and veers off course into an ocean)…

They haven't changed much yet, but the Iridium Next constellation has hosted ADS-B payloads (as well as AIS). Sometime in 2018 these will be available globally, and make it much harder for either ships or planes to be lost outside the range of land-based receivers.

That wouldn't help intentionally or accidentally disabled transceivers as was (probably) the case for MH370. That would require space based radar... which was once but is no longer a DoD project. It'll happen eventually.

Re: A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it should be a school?

Yeah actually kidding aside, why not that? Maybe the idea is that robots are more like insects than fish, but that seems a bit exotic imo.

They are robots and won't be traveling in one group.

Re: A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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Its crazy the amount of money spent on MH370... does anyone know how much it compares to the payout of the victim's families?

A big reason for it is the opportunity it might provide to discover or better understand a failure mode for jet transportation over the ocean.

For example, consider another flight that disappeared mysteriously over the ocean: Air France 447.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

It took nearly 2 years to find and recover the flight recorders. Once they were analyzed, the results were shocking: the pilots flew a perfectly good aircraft into the ocean after a relatively minor technical fault. It had a major impact on pilot training and procedures across the globe.

That's why they'll keep searching for MH370. Beyond closure for the families, there's a chance that there was something in that crash that we all need to know.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah actually kidding aside, why not that? Maybe the idea is that robots are more like insects than fish, but that seems a bit exotic imo.

"Drone" comes from worker bees, so "swarm" is at least consistent. But I found drone misleading here - I thought they'd be airborne. What's the scope of "drone"?

More importantly, worker bees aren't called drones.

Drones are males - they don't actually do any work, living exclusively to have sex with a queen in spring. Once mating season is over, they are evicted from the hive to die - they are unable to fend for themselves. I believe it'd be rare to find drones as part of a swarm of bees in the normal case of a swarm.

Worker bees are females. I've never heard them called anything other than a worker bee.

Re: A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah actually kidding aside, why not that? Maybe the idea is that robots are more like insects than fish, but that seems a bit exotic imo.

"Drone" comes from worker bees, so "swarm" is at least consistent. But I found drone misleading here - I thought they'd be airborne. What's the scope of "drone"?

First, I do not think we have textbook definition of "drone" as such words change meaning based on what technologies are actually available, but quite a lot of technical terms come from or are inspired by science fiction. While I did not read lots of science fiction and most of that was not in English, I think "drone" for a long time used to mean something like "mobile robot capable of autonomously performing a series of tasks", mostly in contexts of mining, cargo transportation and reconnaissance.

Airborne association with drones is quite a recent thing with rise of "military drones" (mostly recon) and subsequently manufacturers of RC multirotors using a word distancing their products from RC toys. RC multirotors are drones only in the sense that they maintain altitude and orientation autonomously.

Re: A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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Its crazy the amount of money spent on MH370... does anyone know how much it compares to the payout of the victim's families?

Also there's not really much "mystery of MH370." It was almost certainly suicide/murder by the pilot. Though I guess there's no harm confirming that.

No, it was with the same 'almost certainty' an overheating of a battery back in the load.

Re: A swarm of submarine drones will scour the depths for MH370

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“no find, no fee”. That's pretty bold.

My private conspiracy theory (which I don't believe in really): One of the USA Inteligence services knows exactly where the plan splashed down (either due underwater acoustic monitoring ala K-129 submarine, or through satellite monitoring) They can't reveal that information, because that would hint at their capabilities and methods, so they let the information 'slip' to an underwater search company. They 'boldly' go searching and in due course stumble upon the plane. They know their cost is bounded because of the tip-off, and they really do search, just maybe select a pattern which will be more 'lucky' then other possible patterns could be.
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