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Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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How does that work if the company was being sued? Do they have some kind of reserve to pay current employees with?

Being tied up in a lawsuit does not grind a company to a halt. Most of the Fortune 500 is probably getting sued right now for some reason or another. Also, when a company loses a lawsuit, the court doesn’t automatically debit the damages from the company. Winning a case and collecting damages are 2 very different things.

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It's also the reason behind ridiculous things like DRM. The idea that there is a difference between broadcasting and copying, and that computers can emulate that difference is a pipe dream; nonetheless shared by most music labels.

It doesn't seem outlandish to claim there's a distinction between a broadcast, where you might hear a song at a particular time of day, and having an on-demand copy of a song at any time. The former scenario could see you, for instance, buying a CD because you liked a song you heard on the radio; that is probably not as likely with Spotify.

It does when there's no effective technical measure to stop you from getting one from the other. It shouldn't be possible to break laws by accident.

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What a headache of an industry to get into. Seeing the direction that Pandora, Soundcloud, and others have gone, I wouldn't touch this vertical with 10-ft pole and a billion in capital.

Got a billion dollars? You can send a person to the moon, but don't even dream about getting into the music streaming industry!

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>"Doesn't having an offline mode run counter to this claim? That's clearly reproducing it." I agree with this. Even if it only lives an encrypted cache you are effectively doing a bit by bit reproduction when you offline sync. They do expire once the user hadn't logged in for some amount of time, I believe it's something like after 30 days of not logging in or refreshing a token. Before streaming when someone bought…

That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about. Even radio is on the receiving end reproduced bit by bit, copied multiple times and stored in some kind of memory, which could be analog or digital.

> That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about.

That is what copyright is about, the right to copy. In this case a mechanical license is at issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license

See the two types of copyright in mechanical license, the composition and the recording.

This is exactly what is being alleged by Wixen. See the lawsuit @ https://www.scribd.com/document/368281292/Wixen-Music-Publis...

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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How does that work if the company was being sued? Do they have some kind of reserve to pay current employees with?

Being tied up in a lawsuit does not grind a company to a halt. Most of the Fortune 500 is probably getting sued right now for some reason or another. Also, when a company loses a lawsuit, the court doesn’t automatically debit the damages from the company. Winning a case and collecting damages are 2 very different things.

Thanks for the explanation, wasn't sure how that kind of thing works.

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It’s kind of a gray area, the whole performing/mechanical rights system was obviously invented before streaming. Radio stations pay for performing rights, so the question arises whether streaming is more like radio broadcast or manufacturing and distributing physical copies (e.g. CDs)? Without further legislation, ultimately only the courts can decide that. My guess is that ultimately streaming rights will end up as…

On a logical level it should be treated the same as broadcast radio, however it gets hazy because you can store playlists and play tracks on demand so its really not clear cut. With radio you can hear the song if it happens to be playing but there is no on demand, no playlists.

You can record the radio.

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Many Disney stories (including Snow White) are copied from earlier works by authors unaffiliated with Disney.

Copied? Snow White was a groundbreaking feat of animation brilliance, a result of tireless effort, craftsmanship and detail that experts widely agree rivals any animation project produced to date. It was literally the first feature-length color animated film with sync audio ever produced, and you’re cutting it down for it’s screenplay being inspired by a fairy tale? This is no weakness. This is consistent with filmma…

Kinda off-topic here, but as someone who co-authored a thesis on the subject, snow white was indeed ahead of it's time in terms of fluid animations and mood making, but it still featured the passive damsel-in-distress archetype which put it way behind in terms of sociological evolution.

Compare it to female counterparts in, say, Hayao Miyazaki cartoons where women are proactive and actually have character development.

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