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NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

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Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

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post #35

with luck, mentioning NSA on your resume results in an immediate trip to the discard pile during applications at most tech companies. if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences.

> if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences. Like a job at Google/Facebook, where you'll continue invading privacy on a massive scale?

"Alexa, what's a tele-screen?"

Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

#72
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That top pay grade is less than the starting compensation for PhD's at the big tech co's. Not to mention free food, potential for career growth, and an open non-militaristic culture where you can wear a hoodie instead of a tie. I honestly don't understand why someone would work for the NSA given the choice.

Some people are genuinely patriotic.

It's a requirement given the stringency of clearances. The article didn't touch on it, but since Binney/Snowden and revelations about the domestic focus, you may not have the same kind of recruitment/retention you would have otherwise in this demographic.

Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

#73
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if I didn't know her personally I'd be starting to wonder if she was, for whatever reason, unable to pass muster at Google et cetera. Not the best decision to drop that after a day of drinking together. But I'm glad I did--it was apparently the nudge she needed to quit. So she stopped being an indirect servant of popular will, and started selling ads. Great. > She now works in the private sector and is thrilled wit…

> So she stopped being an indirect servant of popular will, and started selling ads. Great. You do realize Google does more than sell ads, right? Search and Maps alone are tremendously useful tools, not to mention the dozens, hundreds of other products. Drive, Docs, Photos...

Most of which are funded by selling ads, and then feed back into the cycle though, right? But I'm not as cynical as gp about it.

Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

#75
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That top pay grade is less than the starting compensation for PhD's at the big tech co's. Not to mention free food, potential for career growth, and an open non-militaristic culture where you can wear a hoodie instead of a tie. I honestly don't understand why someone would work for the NSA given the choice.

Some people are genuinely patriotic.

You'd think the genuinely patriotic would avoid working for the NSA, since it apparently results in exile to Russia.

Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

#77
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if I didn't know her personally I'd be starting to wonder if she was, for whatever reason, unable to pass muster at Google et cetera. Not the best decision to drop that after a day of drinking together. But I'm glad I did--it was apparently the nudge she needed to quit. So she stopped being an indirect servant of popular will, and started selling ads. Great. > She now works in the private sector and is thrilled wit…

> So she stopped being an indirect servant of popular will, and started selling ads. Great. You do realize Google does more than sell ads, right? Search and Maps alone are tremendously useful tools, not to mention the dozens, hundreds of other products. Drive, Docs, Photos...

> You do realize Google does more than sell ads, right? Search and Maps alone are tremendously useful...

Proftable? Not so much.

Google is a surveillance company that currently makes money off ads, and gathers data through Maps, Search, Drive, Docs, Photos... Think about what happens when the current ad bubble pops.

Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

#78
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That top pay grade is less than the starting compensation for PhD's at the big tech co's. Not to mention free food, potential for career growth, and an open non-militaristic culture where you can wear a hoodie instead of a tie. I honestly don't understand why someone would work for the NSA given the choice.

Some people are genuinely patriotic.

Would a genuinely patriotic person work for the NSA? I'd consider Snowden more patriotic than all of their current employees.

Re: NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging morale, unpopular reorg

#79
post #35

with luck, mentioning NSA on your resume results in an immediate trip to the discard pile during applications at most tech companies. if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences.

> if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences. Like a job at Google/Facebook, where you'll continue invading privacy on a massive scale?

I like Google and Facebook. They provide a lot of value to a lot of people, invest in R&D, and contribute to the open source community.

I've seen an uptick of negativity on HN lately, especially targeted at the big SV companies. Not intelligent criticism mind you, just basic trolling. For example your account appears to be 99% dedicated to shitting on SV companies.

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