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Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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This doesn't shock me at all. I recall a while back reading how Spotify allegedly started their service with downloads from The Pirate Bay: https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files...

Though that was from a beta and in an unsure time of how the service would turn out. Just because a service starts by doing dubious things, does not mean it will continue doing so.

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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> In May, the Stockholm, Sweden-based company agreed to pay more than $43 million to settle a proposed class action alleging it failed to pay royalties for some of the songs it makes available to users. This number seems closer to reality. It may be Tom Petty, Neil Young, and the Doors, but they're not worth nearly 10% of Spotify's valuation, and that certainly wouldn't match a compensatory amount in revenue that Spo…

Is this a shake-down? Or they asking for USD 1.6B, so they can settle at a convenient USD60m?

This way the lawyers get a nice 20% cut and Wyxen also gets a decent USD48m which is close to the USD42m that alehul mentioned above.

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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post #16

Added another source to assist discussion for more context: " https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/spotify-hit-16-bil... And Quote : "The Settlement Agreement is procedurally and substantively unfair to Settlement Class Members because it prevents meaningful participation by rights holders and offers them an unfair dollar amount in light of Spotify’s ongoing, willful copyright infringement of their works," ... "…

Bad link. Remove the quotes.

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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post #16

Added another source to assist discussion for more context: " https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/spotify-hit-16-bil... And Quote : "The Settlement Agreement is procedurally and substantively unfair to Settlement Class Members because it prevents meaningful participation by rights holders and offers them an unfair dollar amount in light of Spotify’s ongoing, willful copyright infringement of their works," ... "…

This is a bit confusing. My understanding of how music publishing works is that the copyright is usually assigned to the publisher (for a limited amount of time), so any rights of the copyright holder are rights of the publisher. They wouldn't have to explicitly assign litigation rights to the publisher.

Disclaimer: IANAL, and with big artists, publishing deals can be very very different from boilerplate.

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

#26

This doesn't shock me at all. I recall a while back reading how Spotify allegedly started their service with downloads from The Pirate Bay: https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files...

Which is evidence that copyright hold back innovation.

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

#28

This doesn't shock me at all. I recall a while back reading how Spotify allegedly started their service with downloads from The Pirate Bay: https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files...

Which is evidence that copyright hold back innovation.

That doesn't make it okay to flaunt the law, Travis.

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

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post #13

The pieces don't quite fit together here - Harry Fox handles a LOT of licensing (they're one of the places you can get mechanical licenses for cover songs via self-service) and I'd assume that a big contract for an organization the size of Spotify would include at least some indemnification for any legal issues. And, naturally, the damage amount is wildly unrelated to actual revenues - not quite the "one download on…

Yeah, saying HFA is ill-equipped to obtain mechanical licenses doesn't make sense to me. That's exactly the role they play.

Maybe they didn't obtain performance licenses though?

Re: Spotify hit with $1.6B copyright lawsuit

#30

This doesn't shock me at all. I recall a while back reading how Spotify allegedly started their service with downloads from The Pirate Bay: https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files...

The CEO is a former CEO of BitTorrent.com.
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