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Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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The racing analogy might have some flaws. Seat belts and helmets are for protection, they don't aid you in driving. Ice axes and supplemental oxygen aid you in climbing. You could very well climb without them. They are not safety devices. Seat belt is by definition a safety device which will save your life in case of a high speed accident. I think the only seat belt equivalent is the climbing rope.

Traditional rock climbers use their ropes and equipment as both a fall-arrest system and a means of ascent. Sport climbers only use their ropes as a fall-arrest system and sometimes and a means of resting on the rock. The same can be done with ice axes - they're a vital means of arresting a fall, regardless of whether you use them to ascend. If you're determined to climb into the death zone without supplemental oxyge…

>Traditional rock climbers use their ropes and equipment as both a fall-arrest system and a means of ascent.

Minor quibble: you mean aid climbing, here. post-1960ish, "french-free" or hangdog ascents are considered bad form for trad, and using your gear to take your weight is an ethics violation at some level.

>The drivers agreed that no race track was worth creating widows and orphans for.

Motorcyclists, of course, continue to use the Isle of Man TT course despite the deaths of 255 people to date.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The racing analogy might have some flaws. Seat belts and helmets are for protection, they don't aid you in driving. Ice axes and supplemental oxygen aid you in climbing. You could very well climb without them. They are not safety devices. Seat belt is by definition a safety device which will save your life in case of a high speed accident. I think the only seat belt equivalent is the climbing rope.

What do you think the rope is tied to? A team member. The team itself is your seat belt in such ascensions.

on everest, it's usually tied to a snow anchor. The Sherpa who put the anchor there usually wasn't tied to anything.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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I did say it is anedoctal, but to make it more clear: this was not from just "a hill hike with friends". This is my experience from years hiking with these and other friends in the US, noticing their behavior (and those of other people in the same trails) on both the West and East coast, and contrasting it to the behavior seen in comparable trails outside of the US. After a while it starts feeling more like a common…

hikers and alpinists are totally different breeds, though. The americans writing articles for the AAC journal or evening sends or whatnot are not peak-baggers. conversely, the grade-seekers of 8a.nu are primarily european.

Anecdotally I'd say that's true. The majority of the most active climbers and alpinists that I've been around don't seem to be overly goal oriented about it, though there definitely is a subset who are.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Why ban solo climbing? If an idiot wants to do something stupid, why interfere with natural selection? And why waste money looking for them?

Why do you call them idiots? Is it because you're a coward, or someone stupid enough to believe death is something that can be avoided?

Posting uncivilly will get you banned here regardless of how wrong someone else was, so would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not do this again?

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Why ban solo climbing? If an idiot wants to do something stupid, why interfere with natural selection? And why waste money looking for them?

Please don't post uncivil, unsubstantive comments to Hacker News. I'm sure you can do considerably better than this, and if you want to comment here you need to.

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