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Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by tacomonstrous » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

DangerousPie wrote: post #53

reallymental wrote: post #7

edited: Some grammatical errors. Great read, and full of issues that are discussed on HN everyday. Also, not a new topic, the call centers have been on the decline for long, and for good reasons. > -today, young people from agricultural castes want to work in offices and not farms. I wondered what other options were open to them. > Poojary read it out to me in his best American accent, which he had perfected by the e…

> I'm South Indian, I didn't grow up there, but I can vouch for the condescending tone of Snigdha (the author of this piece). It's very much like how a condescending North Indian talks about a South Indian. And she's the 'educated' North Indian here talking to an 'un-educated' one. The condescension is palpable, and present throughout the piece. I have not read her other 2 pieces, but they're on similar topics, and I…

I'm South Indian as well, and I didn't pick up on any condescension. If anything, the writer went out of her way to present the views of obvious scammers as fairly as she could.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by walshemj » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

jimmywanger wrote: post #41

reallymental wrote: post #7

edited: Some grammatical errors. Great read, and full of issues that are discussed on HN everyday. Also, not a new topic, the call centers have been on the decline for long, and for good reasons. > -today, young people from agricultural castes want to work in offices and not farms. I wondered what other options were open to them. > Poojary read it out to me in his best American accent, which he had perfected by the e…

> Isn't that why the 401k and MediCare/MedicAid exist? Well, that doesn't provide you with emotional support and caring, just material goods. Even if all your needs are provided for, if you're all alone in that nobody wants to speak to you or see you except one or twice a year, you're still alone and isolated. In addition, 401k is a plan you pay into, and you get taxed one way or another. Some employers match, but be…

And as pension schemes goes it not very generous in the UK you get a minimum of 20% tax relief even more if your a higher rate tax payer.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by Waterluvian » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:15 PM UTC

zolthrowaway wrote: post #55

ryandrake wrote: post #46

I'm always shocked that these IRS scams ever work, let alone consistently enough to make them viable businesses. Someone with an Indian accent and really bad phone connection calls you up and tells you they are from the IRS and you need to pay them "taxes" with an Apple gift card, and people fall for this?? First off, the government will never contact you by phone. I thought everyone knew this but if not the FTC is h…

It's at least partially fear. Fear can get people to do crazy things. Combine this with the fact that many people are totally tech illiterate (think about some of the elderly who call their grandkids every time they need to check their email). I don't think it's very hard to see how something like this can happen.

If you're on Hacker News, I'll bet that 99% of your country's population is less tech literate than you. It's too easy for us to enter that mindset of, "how could X ever be? It's so obvious!"

My wife reminds me of this regularly =)

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by ryandrake » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:21 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #63

zolthrowaway wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's at least partially fear. Fear can get people to do crazy things. Combine this with the fact that many people are totally tech illiterate (think about some of the elderly who call their grandkids every time they need to check their email). I don't think it's very hard to see how something like this can happen.

If you're on Hacker News, I'll bet that 99% of your country's population is less tech literate than you. It's too easy for us to enter that mindset of, "how could X ever be? It's so obvious!" My wife reminds me of this regularly =)

This one has nothing to do with tech though. It's just someone cold calling you, claiming to be from the government and asking for Apple gift cards. You don't need to be a tech wizard to understand that something is clearly amiss.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by Waterluvian » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #64

Waterluvian wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're on Hacker News, I'll bet that 99% of your country's population is less tech literate than you. It's too easy for us to enter that mindset of, "how could X ever be? It's so obvious!" My wife reminds me of this regularly =)

This one has nothing to do with tech though. It's just someone cold calling you, claiming to be from the government and asking for Apple gift cards. You don't need to be a tech wizard to understand that something is clearly amiss.

That's true. I'm conflating tech literacy with some term I don't know. It's the drive to be skeptical and challenge information against a logical framework one has of the world.

I would say that it is a part of what "tech literacy" is. I've also got family members who lack it entirely. It's rather bizarre to see someone affected so wholly by new information without knowing how to even challenge that information. "If X is true then why do we not see Y occur?" will usually be met with a shut-down in conversation and a bring-up of hostility.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by nonamechicken » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:37 PM UTC

tacomonstrous wrote: post #61

DangerousPie wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm South Indian, I didn't grow up there, but I can vouch for the condescending tone of Snigdha (the author of this piece). It's very much like how a condescending North Indian talks about a South Indian. And she's the 'educated' North Indian here talking to an 'un-educated' one. The condescension is palpable, and present throughout the piece. I have not read her other 2 pieces, but they're on similar topics, and I…

I'm South Indian as well, and I didn't pick up on any condescension. If anything, the writer went out of her way to present the views of obvious scammers as fairly as she could.

Same here. I actually didn't understand why OP mentioned South India at all.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by reallymental » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

DangerousPie wrote: post #53

reallymental wrote: post #7

edited: Some grammatical errors. Great read, and full of issues that are discussed on HN everyday. Also, not a new topic, the call centers have been on the decline for long, and for good reasons. > -today, young people from agricultural castes want to work in offices and not farms. I wondered what other options were open to them. > Poojary read it out to me in his best American accent, which he had perfected by the e…

> I'm South Indian, I didn't grow up there, but I can vouch for the condescending tone of Snigdha (the author of this piece). It's very much like how a condescending North Indian talks about a South Indian. And she's the 'educated' North Indian here talking to an 'un-educated' one. The condescension is palpable, and present throughout the piece. I have not read her other 2 pieces, but they're on similar topics, and I…

That may very well be the case.

I did try to go through the paragraphs again to see if I could get a better read on it, unfortunately I came out with the same conclusion.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by usrusr » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:42 PM UTC

reallymental wrote: post #28

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fining the real candidate is the worst way possible I fail to understand why this is unacceptable. If I take a test for you, we both get in trouble.

They pay a non-decent amounts to these test takers, because they are desperate, and most likely not very well off. So they're already in the red when they appear for the job they are not qualified for. Some do this because they think that the job market is skewed against them, and might also have the sentiments that these 'seats' within the companies are reserved for 'rich people' or the 'upper castes', when that's h…

If fraud is rationalized with group identities then it is even more important to keep the price for cheating high, because the cost is also higher when group identities are involved. When the seeds for prejudice are already there, the main victims of that kind of fraud are not the would-be employers but all the involuntary peers who share the same marker.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by reallymental » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:43 PM UTC

tacomonstrous wrote: post #61

DangerousPie wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm South Indian, I didn't grow up there, but I can vouch for the condescending tone of Snigdha (the author of this piece). It's very much like how a condescending North Indian talks about a South Indian. And she's the 'educated' North Indian here talking to an 'un-educated' one. The condescension is palpable, and present throughout the piece. I have not read her other 2 pieces, but they're on similar topics, and I…

I'm South Indian as well, and I didn't pick up on any condescension. If anything, the writer went out of her way to present the views of obvious scammers as fairly as she could.

My point was about the perceived superiority that some people have over the others, due to their geographical/cultural/religious biases.

I mentioned I was South Indian to emphasise my bias towards such a tone.

But as I have acknowledged in my above comments, I may have looked at the article through biased eyes, but I still think I'm right in my assumption about this author's tone.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Post by reachtarunhere » Tue, Jan 02, 2018, 5:49 PM UTC

reallymental wrote: post #28

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fining the real candidate is the worst way possible I fail to understand why this is unacceptable. If I take a test for you, we both get in trouble.

They pay a non-decent amounts to these test takers, because they are desperate, and most likely not very well off. So they're already in the red when they appear for the job they are not qualified for. Some do this because they think that the job market is skewed against them, and might also have the sentiments that these 'seats' within the companies are reserved for 'rich people' or the 'upper castes', when that's h…

Oh god I have no clue where this is coming from. I have never heard being hired based on caste. Are you sure about this or even have anecdotal evidence? Or you just heard this from someone?

Unlikely though it possible that I am living in my own bubble since I haven't applied to shoddy places ever so who knows.But as someone living here it really amuses me and seems hard to believe.