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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#21
We really need passchange.js: an open source collection of headless JS scripts that can programmatically change your password on a given website. Then you would continuously rotate _all_ your managed passwords as well as your master.

Not a panacea, but significantly minimizes the length of a theoretical breach.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#22

Always going to be a security/convenience tradeoff to some extent. If you expect to be targeted by The Baddies (tm), you want to tradeoff convenience for security. Spend some time every day memorizing long random strings and hope you never get hacked using the Wrench method[0]. If you're not expecting to be specifically targeted, then "modify a single password per service" can be surprisingly secure. Don't just add "…

> there is a valid argument that managers are not necessarily the best solution

What is that argument?

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#23
I have a folder in which each text file contains the username and password(s) for a particular domain/service. The hard drive is encrypted and its backups (on geographically spread external drives) are also encrypted.

I let Keychain (MacOS) remember the passwords, so I never really think about them.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#24
I have a couple scripts, 'add' and 'get', which respectively add or get an entry associated with some keys to a text file.

An example line in the text file looks like this:

    facebook password: [base64:U2FsdGVkX1/T8CoWmfDOoaapE5lGj/fqHE3s8NohnriGajnPrCzWikCneU/u7]
Anyone thinking of trying to crack that, well good luck. I removed and twiddled a few characters from it, as if it wasn't hard enough already. Oh but here's how to decrypt if you really want to try:

    echo "$data" | openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -a -salt -pass env:MY_PASS
That's not a script, it's just an excerpt. You'll have to guess the password. You should probably do something else with your time.

Since the text file is encrypted, I store it on Dropbox. Then I can access this from any computer where I log into Dropbox, provided I know my main password for decryption.

Later I can type 'get facebook pass' on the command line and the get script will retrieve the best matching entry, decrypt the value, and put it in my copy paste buffer ready to paste.

The biggest problem with this system is sometimes when two or more entries are a close match to whatever keywords I input, it may pick the wrong match. I need to improve it to show a list to pick from in those cases, or work on better ways to remember the right keywords for each item. Also my matching heuristics could be improved.

I use this in conjunction with a command line script for generating strong passwords. Most accounts have different passwords at this point and they are all strong. One problem with the script is I sometimes have to tweak the resulting password by hand to match whatever (generally dumb) rules are in place at a new site... when I say dumb, I mean for example, '!' not allowed, etc.

For sharing web passwords with my phone, I just allow Safari to remember them and then trust iCloud, for better or worse.

Overall this is not a pain, and pretty successful. But if someone got terminal access in my account on my computer, it would be game over... so I try not to allow that.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#25
post #7

I have a file on the local drive of my office computer and a sheet of paper near my home computer (used by me and my wife). When the sheet of paper is full of handwriting, I bring it to office to synchronize both list.. When my house has been robbed last year they have not found the sheet, but if they had, I could have changed all passwords very quickly. In case of fire, the backup is safe in a remote location. It is…

The actual attack to be worried about is that an adversary copies the sheet of paper without your knowledge. There's no need for an attacker to remove the physical list or to be a burglar. It could be someone you know.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#27

I've used supergenpass[1] with some success, but the fact that some websites have special requirements for passwords means that I still have to memorize more than one password. 1: https://chriszarate.github.io/supergenpass/

The idea is awesome but i think it lacks usability on mobile.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#28

I use https://www.passwordstore.org/ .

I also use pass and sync it with my android phone using OpenKeychain to manage GPG keys and PasswordStore as the actual password browser. Copy/pasting randomised passwords on both desktop and mobile is easy once these are set up.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone use an alternative to a password manager?

#29
You're talking about mitigating the risk of break-in by using an alternative to a password manager.

I'd rather propse to use a self-hosted password manager on a VPS or in a cloud service.

As long as that password manager is hosted securely, VPS for example, and uses your login password to help decrypt the stored passwords.

Perhaps some HMAC required too.

Anyone know if this exists in the open source world?

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