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Re: U.S. oil production booms as new year begins

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Post by nimos »

Fronzie wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the extraction cost of shale compare to the declining cost of solar? Are we at the point already where some oil fields become non-profitable?

Oil and solar don't really compete that much. Oil - even at $40 a barrel - is substantively more expensive than pretty much everything else for generating electricity and is rarely used for anything beyond small scale generation.

Oil is valuable because of gasoline/diesel which about 3/4 of the barrel goes to. It's all about the ease of transportation that ICE/gasoline/diesel offer that no other fuel can really compete on.

The more relevant factor is the price of batteries which might make solar and other electricity sources viable competitors to oil.

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Post by rbcgerard »

lithos wrote: post #9

For the past few years when the cost of oil was low, oil companies needed to keep some amount of trained workers in work. So what they've been doing is "starting" wells and then stopping the drill a safe distance, to leave everything in a state where they can tap the well in a short period of time to respond to prices. (Though I don't really have any knowledge of the actual scale, since it's just from talking to peop…

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/drilling/#tabs-summary-3

See the “DUC” section

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Post by metaphor »

> The tax bill recently signed by President Trump allows oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska...

In case anyone else was wondering, this is in reference to Title II § 20001 of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act[1], which sets up to lease at least 800,000 acres in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge[2] no later than 10 years from now, all strings pulled by Interior Secretary Zinke[3].

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1/te... down at the waaay bottom

[2] https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?F...

[3] https://www.doi.gov/whoweare/secretary-ryan-zinke

Re: U.S. oil production booms as new year begins

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Post by diafygi »

melling wrote: post #5
OscarCunningham wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are all sorts of subsidies and taxes everywhere, so it's hard to determine the true cost of either.

Can you please list some of them? The raging debate on renewables is that people intensely dislike subsidies for renewable energy. Other people respond that fossil fuels are also subsidized, without references. This “conversation” goes on endlessly with two sides basically talking at each other. Most people understand that coal is dirty, but with oil and natural gas it’s more difficult, for example, to convince peopl…

The largest fossil subsidy is the lack of a tax or regulation on greenhouse gas pollution. I used to work in emissions and most other types of air pollution (NOx, SOx, mercury, etc.) had either a permitting or cap-and-trade process that source emitters had to follow. These regulations were put in place to offset the cost of the externalities of those types of air pollution.

For greenhouse gasses, it's only been recently that we even considered greenhouse gasses as pollution, and the EPA was actually starting to implement similar regulations (called Clean Power Plan). However, that is being rolled back by the Trump administration. So it looks like externalities subsidies will continue for the time being, at least on the federal level.

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Post by provost »

rbcgerard wrote: post #12
lithos wrote: post #9

For the past few years when the cost of oil was low, oil companies needed to keep some amount of trained workers in work. So what they've been doing is "starting" wells and then stopping the drill a safe distance, to leave everything in a state where they can tap the well in a short period of time to respond to prices. (Though I don't really have any knowledge of the actual scale, since it's just from talking to peop…

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/drilling/#tabs-summary-3 See the “DUC” section

128 fresh drilled-but-uncompleted wells in a month seems impressive (they show 94 as the change, but are subtracting 34 that were completed). Drilling roughly four a day.

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Post by thematt »

lithos wrote: post #9

For the past few years when the cost of oil was low, oil companies needed to keep some amount of trained workers in work. So what they've been doing is "starting" wells and then stopping the drill a safe distance, to leave everything in a state where they can tap the well in a short period of time to respond to prices. (Though I don't really have any knowledge of the actual scale, since it's just from talking to peop…

Completion of DUC wells doesn't have much if anything to do with predicting or waiting for a particular price, as most E&P companies are all hedged on a yearly basis. It's more about the manpower/equipment needed to frack, which is currently in short supply.

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Post by yakitori »

Fronzie wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the extraction cost of shale compare to the declining cost of solar? Are we at the point already where some oil fields become non-profitable?

> Does anyone know how the extraction cost of shale compare to the declining cost of solar?

The solar market is so tiny it doesn't matter in the energy discussion. Despite what you read from the cheerleaders ( paid or unpaid ) on social media and the news.

The two important changes in energy markets the last decade are fracking/shale oil and natural gas. That's it.

> Are we at the point already where some oil fields become non-profitable?

Solar doesn't determine profitability of oil field. Oil prices determine profitability of oil fields. And it's all variable depending on location/quality/etc of the oil fields and the oil. Yes, as oil prices drop, there are oil fields that became unprofitable and many oil fields were shuttered. As oil prices rise, they will become profitable and the activity will increase on those fields.

Low oil prices and the rise of natural gas along with regulation has absolutely crushed coal markets in the last 10 years. It has also crushed the solar markets as well ( see all the solar companies going bankrupt ). Whether oil and gas can keep this trend going, your guess is good as mine.

I think Trump is very pro-energy and he will support low oil prices, low LNG prices and even push for more coal investments. That won't bode well for solar. But what do I know.

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Post by peterbecich »

nimos wrote: post #11
Fronzie wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the extraction cost of shale compare to the declining cost of solar? Are we at the point already where some oil fields become non-profitable?

Oil and solar don't really compete that much. Oil - even at $40 a barrel - is substantively more expensive than pretty much everything else for generating electricity and is rarely used for anything beyond small scale generation. Oil is valuable because of gasoline/diesel which about 3/4 of the barrel goes to. It's all about the ease of transportation that ICE/gasoline/diesel offer that no other fuel can really compe…

Very interesting. Incidentally, about 70% of Hawaii's electricity is generated with oil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Hawaii?wprov=sfla1

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Post by petre »

peterbecich wrote: post #18
nimos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oil and solar don't really compete that much. Oil - even at $40 a barrel - is substantively more expensive than pretty much everything else for generating electricity and is rarely used for anything beyond small scale generation. Oil is valuable because of gasoline/diesel which about 3/4 of the barrel goes to. It's all about the ease of transportation that ICE/gasoline/diesel offer that no other fuel can really compe…

Very interesting. Incidentally, about 70% of Hawaii's electricity is generated with oil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Hawaii?wprov=sfla1

Doesn't geothermal work for Hawaii? It works just fine for the Azores.

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Post by votepaunchy »

metaphor wrote: post #13

> The tax bill recently signed by President Trump allows oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska... In case anyone else was wondering, this is in reference to Title II § 20001 of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act[1], which sets up to lease at least 800,000 acres in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge[2] no later than 10 years from now, all strings pulled by Interior Secretary Zinke[3]. [1] https://www.co…

The ANWR was sold out to buy Senator Collins (R-ME) vote. Maine has been fighting for this for decades.
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