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Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

#21
> Why isn’t there a bootcamp that provides a bachelors level computer science degree?

Because meeting government rules for private, for-profit degree granting institutions and accreditation requirements for degree granting institutions requires a lot of expenditure and, for accreditation, time that get-rich-quick bootcamp operators aren't interested in.

> So I guess my question is, why can’t there be a free or low cost, not for profit, accredited bachelors level computer science degree?

The vast majority of US colleges and universities are either private nonprofits or public institutions.

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#22

The average student loan debt in the US is about $30k. That's a little less than the price of the average new car sold in the US in 2017, and it's quite a bit less than the first year of salary for a graduate with a CS degree. You can get a good education that prepares you for a high-paying career for less than the price of a Toyota Camry with leather seats. That seems to me like a fantastic deal.

You are confusing the average student loan debt with the average total cost of the degree; the latter is greater than the former.

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#23
> So I guess my question is, why can’t there be a free or low cost, not for profit, accredited bachelors level computer science degree?

I've looked into this topic somewhat, and basically it boils down to dense regulation by governments and an oligopoly on "accreditation" by a few institutions that has risen out of this. However, the costs are not insurmountable to obtain accreditation, but the process itself is rather arduous and not quite as inexpensive as this article (https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/10/22/real-costs-a...) leads you to believe, still perhaps 40-60k a year are the costs you would be looking at for accreditation alone, and you haven't even started to pay your faculty or administrators to work with the institution to maintain standards, etc.

However, in order to be accredited you need to meet each and every requirement and suggestion made by these institutions. I have no idea how pliable they would be to alternative plans of learning and anything non-standard - my guess is not very, but I could be mistaken.

> But here in the US it’s going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars at minimum. Does it have to be that way?

It doesn't. There is nothing inherent in the process of "gaining the knowledge and skills of a BA in Computer Science" that needs to costs anywhere near thousands of dollars - except in opportunity costs perhaps. Its just that the US system, through misaligned Government policy, has created an environment in which it is very difficult for an entrepreneur to just come in and "open up a new learning institution", so new and alternative models don't get tried out and aren't allowed to freely compete in order to weed out inefficiences and allow for the best to rise to the top.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not CS.

Did you actually look at the course listings? The final year includes courses in NLP, AI, Neural Networks, Data Compression, Computer Security. Sounds pretty "computer science" to me...

I did not, but do you expect the people reviewing your resume/credentials to look at the course listings? There's a reason job listings specifically ask for a CS degree. It's not necessarily a good reason, but it needs to be acknowledged. I don't have one, BTW, hence why I'm interested in an online course.

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

#27

The average student loan debt in the US is about $30k. That's a little less than the price of the average new car sold in the US in 2017, and it's quite a bit less than the first year of salary for a graduate with a CS degree. You can get a good education that prepares you for a high-paying career for less than the price of a Toyota Camry with leather seats. That seems to me like a fantastic deal.

There's a pretty big difference between "average student loan debt" and "the cost of an education". The former doesn't include costs that were paid without going into debt, nor does it include debt that has been partially paid off after graduation. Don't forget to factor in the opportunity cost of not working a full-time job for four years.

Lots of non education expenses get rolled into student loan debt. I've known people to take out max student loan debt and buy CDs or invest it in rental property.

Some people take out excess student loan debt because they don't want to cramp their lifestyle of a nice car and eating out everyday.

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

#28

> Why isn’t there a bootcamp that provides a bachelors level computer science degree? Because meeting government rules for private, for-profit degree granting institutions and accreditation requirements for degree granting institutions requires a lot of expenditure and, for accreditation, time that get-rich-quick bootcamp operators aren't interested in. > So I guess my question is, why can’t there be a free or low co…

Whether the bootcamp people are greedy or not doesn't factor in.

Getting national accreditation for a coding bootcamp would be like getting a PhD in biology to be a dog groomer. Not only is it overkill, it wouldn't really teach you to do your job.

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

#30
There is a low cost, accredited (in the US) BSc, or 2 year associates degree, in Computer Science that can be taken by online remote students anywhere in the world https://www.uopeople.edu/programs/

The only formal entrance req are the ability to read/write English, and a high school diploma. Exams are $100 each, and there's 40 exams over a 4 year period plus whatever costs for taking them proctored through ProctorU or some other local service, or somebody that agrees to be your proctor who isn't related to you. Credits can be transferred to NYU or Berkeley. Example of some of the courses: https://www.uopeople.edu/prepare-for-university/computer-sci...

There's also also wgu.edu which is non-profit and offers online degrees, not as inexpensive as UofPeople. Open University in the UK also offers remote CS BSc (and Statistics BSc) but it's around $2.5k/year GBP for part-time. Arizona State also has an online BSc in software engineering but it's reg tuition costs, so $15k+ per year.

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