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Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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I don't see the need for a degree if you have the skills. People who have the grit to bootstrap their CS education and complete it will do so. They don't need the support of a bootcamp or an accredited institution. In my work in trying to teach CS to refugees and underprivileged, underrepresented people, I've been discouraged. As of now, I believe that there is a very small subset of people who can really "get it" an…

>These kids they're children. there's something tragically wrong with the world that we expect children to be so jaded that they'd rather be career climbing than "hang out with their friends". i say this as someone who occasionally wishes he did do that (hung out less and studied more) and did come relative poverty but my point still stands.

> they're children

At some point, children need to start maturing and thinking of themselves as adults. When they go off to college at 18, they're old enough to legally vote, drive, hold a job, get married or join the military. They still have a bit of growing up to do, but they're no longer children.

I spent a lot of time hanging out with friends in college, but I (and a lot of other people I knew) also worked hard at my classes (CS degree) and held down part-time jobs. My family wasn't rich, and I was old enough to realize that I'd have to support myself when I graduated.

I think we're doing young adults a disservice by thinking of them as "children".

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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The average student loan debt in the US is about $30k. That's a little less than the price of the average new car sold in the US in 2017, and it's quite a bit less than the first year of salary for a graduate with a CS degree. You can get a good education that prepares you for a high-paying career for less than the price of a Toyota Camry with leather seats. That seems to me like a fantastic deal.

You definitely make a good point and one I hadn’t thought of. When you put it like that I don’t know why more people wouldn’t go to a reputable state school and get a CS degree and really study it out.

Time and focus. The curriculum in many degree programs isn’t just about job readiness. Students will do research, experiments, labs, write papers, attend conferences, do hackathons, try side projects, and more that often don’t fit into the timespan of a bootcamp.

A wise professor once said that students pay for two things: speed and peers. Speed affects the rate that assignments, lectures, and tests need to be completed. Peers affects the quality of learning you gain from discussing with people tackling the same problem, and often the depth of the class’s prior perspectives.

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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There already is, it's just not widely known, and they don't spend much money on advertising, probably to keep the fees down: University of London International program (distance learning) BS in Computing and Information Systems Total Cost of 3 year degree: $8000 https://london.ac.uk/courses/computing-and-information-syste...

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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There already is, it's just not widely known, and they don't spend much money on advertising, probably to keep the fees down: University of London International program (distance learning) BS in Computing and Information Systems Total Cost of 3 year degree: $8000 https://london.ac.uk/courses/computing-and-information-syste...

That is not CS.

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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The average student loan debt in the US is about $30k. That's a little less than the price of the average new car sold in the US in 2017, and it's quite a bit less than the first year of salary for a graduate with a CS degree. You can get a good education that prepares you for a high-paying career for less than the price of a Toyota Camry with leather seats. That seems to me like a fantastic deal.

There's a pretty big difference between "average student loan debt" and "the cost of an education". The former doesn't include costs that were paid without going into debt, nor does it include debt that has been partially paid off after graduation.

Don't forget to factor in the opportunity cost of not working a full-time job for four years.

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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The average student loan debt in the US is about $30k. That's a little less than the price of the average new car sold in the US in 2017, and it's quite a bit less than the first year of salary for a graduate with a CS degree. You can get a good education that prepares you for a high-paying career for less than the price of a Toyota Camry with leather seats. That seems to me like a fantastic deal.

Is that the average current student debt balance? Or the average cost of tuition?

Re: Ask HN: Is there room for a non-profit computer science degree provider?

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post #17

There already is, it's just not widely known, and they don't spend much money on advertising, probably to keep the fees down: University of London International program (distance learning) BS in Computing and Information Systems Total Cost of 3 year degree: $8000 https://london.ac.uk/courses/computing-and-information-syste...

That is not CS.

Did you actually look at the course listings? The final year includes courses in NLP, AI, Neural Networks, Data Compression, Computer Security. Sounds pretty "computer science" to me...
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