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Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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Unfortunately, Mailgun is throttling the domain due to large rates of mail. All we can do is wait the ban out, I'm afraid.

Looks like you need a new domain provider; this is a show stopper.

I would agree, but I make liberal use of the free limits so I can't complain much. I don't really want to spend too much money running Spamnesty.

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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post #149

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Looks like you need a new domain provider; this is a show stopper.

I would agree, but I make liberal use of the free limits so I can't complain much. I don't really want to spend too much money running Spamnesty.

Are you able to easily detect whether your account is currently blocked and add some warning to the front page? Would make it easier than just spamming sp@mnesty.com until the mails don't bounce anymore...

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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post #152

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I would agree, but I make liberal use of the free limits so I can't complain much. I don't really want to spend too much money running Spamnesty.

Are you able to easily detect whether your account is currently blocked and add some warning to the front page? Would make it easier than just spamming sp@mnesty.com until the mails don't bounce anymore...

I don't think Mailgun expose that in any API, I'm afraid. Good idea, though, I'll see if there's something available.

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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The thing that makes me angry with some of those recordings is when the callers still think that they are talking to a dotty old fellow who they can con (they usually cotton on to the trick in the end). When to my ears Lenny sounds like someone with dementia who needs help and should not under any circumstances be sold to without a legal guardian present, what they seem to take from the situation is "great, I might m…

If they didn't try to get the sale, they'd probably get fired and swapped with someone who would.

The less supply there is of people willing to do it (at each given price I guess), the more the pay would have to be to hire people? So, I think, changing the population willingness to do it would change the profitability of it somewhat, perhaps slightly changing how much it gets done?

I'm not sure.

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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Some magnificent genius has created the perfect bot for hooking predatory telemarketers. "Lenny" is a slightly confused elderly man with poor hearing. He wanders off topic, he isn't sure what you just said and he is absolute catnip for crooks. If you haven't heard a call to Lenny, you're in for an absolute treat. This call from a tech support scammer lasts an exhausting 31 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJT…

Wow. Does it count as passing the Turing test, or the scammers don't count as experts? Come to think of it, the scammers themselves would fail the Turing test.

I think the Turing Test is usually described as an examiner is freely conversing with two subjects. The examiner knows that one subject is human and the other is AI. They are supposed to determine which is human and which is AI. If they can't achieve higher than 50% accuracy then the AI is deemed to have passed the Turing test.

It would be a much easier version of the test if the AI only has to fool the examiner in a limited set of circumstances such as a scammer trying to qualify people as potential scam targets with a minimum of effort.

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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Gamifying this kind of thing would be intriguing. I'm imagining some server that would work like spamnesty, i.e. you could easily let it handle your spam. But I'm also imagining the possibility of registering as a bot creator and plugging in your own algorithms. API-wise it would be super simple, much like creating a chatbot for Slack, but the logic could be as advanced as one would like. The server would then score the algorithms on established metrics such as "average number of responses" or what one might dream up. There would be leaderboards and stuff.

It would all work nicely until the spammers start creating their own bots to keep our bots busy. Bots would keep inane conversations going forever.

Then, I presume, Skynet.

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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post #98

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Some magnificent genius has created the perfect bot for hooking predatory telemarketers. "Lenny" is a slightly confused elderly man with poor hearing. He wanders off topic, he isn't sure what you just said and he is absolute catnip for crooks. If you haven't heard a call to Lenny, you're in for an absolute treat. This call from a tech support scammer lasts an exhausting 31 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJT…

This is quite easy to make into a phone app too, seeing how apps can intercept calls. Combine it with a phone number database like Whoscall, and one can get beautiful results.

An even more beautiful idea would be if you could let your phone provider run the bot. Just press the magic button and the spam caller gets transferred to the upside down in the phone company data center, and your phone line is freed again (like hanging up, from your point of view). If he gets mad and calls back, Lenny picks up the phone. I don't know how billing works between phone companies but maybe your phone company could even make a profit from keeping spammers bouncing around in virtual Lennyworld. Which would be a nice incentive to do R&D on improving and diversifying the bots.

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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Gamifying this kind of thing would be intriguing. I'm imagining some server that would work like spamnesty, i.e. you could easily let it handle your spam. But I'm also imagining the possibility of registering as a bot creator and plugging in your own algorithms. API-wise it would be super simple, much like creating a chatbot for Slack, but the logic could be as advanced as one would like. The server would then score…

Cory Doctorow's story about spam bots being one of the last things alive: https://craphound.com/overclocked/Cory_Doctorow_-_Overclocke...

Re: Spamnesty – A Bot to waste spammers' time

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The thing that makes me angry with some of those recordings is when the callers still think that they are talking to a dotty old fellow who they can con (they usually cotton on to the trick in the end). When to my ears Lenny sounds like someone with dementia who needs help and should not under any circumstances be sold to without a legal guardian present, what they seem to take from the situation is "great, I might m…

If they didn't try to get the sale, they'd probably get fired and swapped with someone who would.

As I said, IMO "but it is my job" is not a morally defensible excuse.
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