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Re: AI-assisted fake porn are being used by people on Reddit for self-completion

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Post by NelsonMinar »

CapacitorSet wrote: post #5

Quick preview: u/deepfakes, https://www.gfycat.com/UnsungTotalAmericancrow (NSFW). Very cool, it has a few problems with merging the face but the expression is very convincing. Obviously, it doesn't work very well for very different faces ( https://imgur.com/gallery/OpD3RXC SFW).

It's funny you pick this as an example; the very first thing I see is the cut line on her eyebrows, like some hideous plastic surgery gone wrong. Skin tone doesn't really match either. Perhaps this stuff is less visible if you're distracted by the rest of the scene.

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Post by cyberpunk0 »

everdev wrote: post #29
mabbo wrote: post #21

This is what's being accomplished by one amateur with a little bit of hardware. Imagine what will happen when you have professional services (legal or otherwise) making altered videos of whoever or whatever you want. Want court evidence of your wife cheating? Fake grainy hidden camera video. Want to discredit a politician? Here he is picking up a male escort and using racial slurs. These sorts of things could be used…

While the technique does make fraudulent videos easier to make, I don't see this in and of itself as that fatal to public trust. Faking content to hurt someone has been around forever. We then learned not to trust gossip, not to trust uncorroborated sources, etc. I hope it might actually help people be more skeptical of what they're reading and seeing. And hopefully it will help news media be more skeptical of their…

You overestimate people

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Post by touchofevil »

I've worked in the visual effects industry for many years and this is incredibly interesting. In vfx to create a face replacement, we would have to create a 3D model of a head and then texture it with photos/scans of a the desired face. Then we would 3D track this cgi head onto an actor in the shot and then animate the face either by hand or using motion capture data from the stand-in actor's face. Then you'd light and render the cgi head and composite it into the shot.

This video shows the process: https://youtu.be/rsPq2qp_Z-E

And here's an article about it: https://www.fxguide.com/quicktakes/di4d-in-la/

It's pretty incredible that there's a completely different way to do a head swap. Of course, the vfx method gives the artist complete control over what the face/head does.

Re: AI-assisted fake porn are being used by people on Reddit for self-completion

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Post by yarg »

Who cares about the pornography aspect? Of significantly more concern is our societal reliance on video evidence in general. Ultimately there's no software solution here; adversarial networks will be capable of generating high quality simulations that even they cannot distinguish between.

I'm also struggling to think of any viable hardware solution that doesn't involve in camera black boxes with asymmetric encryption - which is a hack at best.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

The user in question is here: https://www.reddit.com/user/deepfakes/submitted/

You can see the examples of their work at the bottom of that list. It's very, very obviously not the actual actresses. It's impressive, but not "holy shit, could that really be..?" impressive - there are artefacts scattered all over the faces.

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Post by nostrademons »

knieveltech wrote: post #78
vertex-four wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've always had to discuss what the facts are - the extreme bias between newspapers and TV channels picking and choosing facts to provide to their users, even on the same news stories - news source A chooses not to provide background info, news source B chooses to provide background info from one primary source only, news source C chooses to provide background info from another source, news source D chooses to provi…

You just set your credibility on fire with the phrase "the extreme bias between newspapers and TV channels picking and choosing facts". What you are describing is literally the opposite of how objective journalism is performed. That you believe this is how professional newsrooms function indicates you haven't worked in the industry.

That you and vertex-four disagree not only on the facts, but on the nature of facts indicates that perhaps his point has some merit. ;-)

FWIW, I've been that primary source for some major news stories, and the final story usually bears just a passing resemblance to reality as I experienced it. Assuming good faith on the part of the reporter, I have to assume that reality as I experienced it bears only a passing resemblance to reality as other primary sources experience it, which is congruent with other known facts like the difficulty of communication, the existence of cognitive biases, and the field of psychology. Objectivity is a myth; it's oftentimes a useful myth, but it's worth remembering that the reporter has his own biases and preconceptions as well, and as the person choosing what to report upon, these will necessarily make it into the final piece. The audience has their own biases as well, so they won't be reading exactly the same piece that the reporter wrote.

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Post by atmosx »

mabbo wrote: post #21

This is what's being accomplished by one amateur with a little bit of hardware. Imagine what will happen when you have professional services (legal or otherwise) making altered videos of whoever or whatever you want. Want court evidence of your wife cheating? Fake grainy hidden camera video. Want to discredit a politician? Here he is picking up a male escort and using racial slurs. These sorts of things could be used…

Deeper analysis by whom? Who cares about deeper analysis anymore?

Re: AI-assisted fake porn are being used by people on Reddit for self-completion

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Post by riffraff »

CM30 wrote: post #80
jcfrei wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I see with tech like this is that it muddies the water for everyone. I find it very strange that technologies like the internet appear to have created a world with more ambiguity and less transparency than we've had before - mostly because people now can find support for any kind of belief online. Some people are either willing to learn or have learned how to get information from reputation based systems…

I wouldn't say it's much of a shift as much as an arms race between hoaxers and investigators. In the olden days you certainly had less ways to fake footage (no image editing or digital forms of manipulation), but at the same time it was also much easier to trick people into believing falsehoods. I mean, look at the older stuff on the Museum of Hoaxes. It'd be shot down in minutes in 2017, since it's obvious the peop…

Just as food for thought, being able to lie or con people is also not necessarily a bad thing: Giorgio Perlasca was able to save more than 5000 Jews from deportation by posing as the Spanish consul in Nazi-occupied Budapest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Perlasca

Re: AI-assisted fake porn are being used by people on Reddit for self-completion

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Post by jmkni »

okman wrote: post #67

The deepfakes subreddit is remarkable - people without any prior background in machine learning or programming are asking tons of questions and learning all about deep learning. I've always thought applications-first was the best way to teach complicated material, this might be great evidence of that.

Porn has always been a factor in driving technology forward.

People who weren’t motivated before to learn machine learning or programming suddenly are.

This is no different!

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Post by FeepingCreature »

prepend wrote: post #13
nailer wrote: post #3

celebfakes is the next Reddit hand grenade: the site has 'involuntary porn' as a category for reporting posts, yet simultaneously has a popular subreddit dedicated to involuntary porn.

Since Reddit admins have no natural morality that they have displayed, they will wait until more press gets launched with bad PR for the site. Then they will selectively respond based on what their loudest commenters say. It seems like they could establish some basic moral rules they prefer and then objectively apply them. But they choose not to for some reason.

For what it's worth, I vastly prefer my admins amoral. Morality is diverse enough that for almost any moral framework, they'd be doing things I'd strongly disagree with.
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