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Post by katastic »

77pt77 wrote: post #539
katastic wrote: post #417

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I'll tell you right now. There is ABSOLUTELY discrimination against older workers. Even though most workers these days don't stay at companies for more than 5-10 years, if a worker is "too old" they think they'll be too hard to train, or "just looking to retire"--even if the length of time is the same. My father is the pinnacle of excellence and professionalism as a plant engineer. Everything that got me ahead of my…

> "He's too old." And one recruiter literally told him that. How old is he?

60's.

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Post by mike10010100 »

mankypro wrote: post #768
plorg wrote: post #745

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Alternately, the tax system "penalizes" those who lack wealth by advantaging those who make money by owning capital. Pretending like a pre-existing, often un-earned economic advantage implies some sort of inherent moral or economic superiority is an almost laughably privilege-blind perspective.

"often un-earned economic advantage implies some sort of inherent moral or economic superiority is an almost laughably privilege-blind perspective." Using your logic (only related to this portion of your post, because as you stated money, does in fact, beget money), one should not work hard for one's progeny to have an inheritance? Should estate law just be modified and have all assets of a dead person go to the stat…

> Should estate law just be modified and have all assets of a dead person go to the state?

Why not? Why should a dead person continue to exert their influence in the form of cash after they're done personally contributing to society? Why does someone deserve the fruits of their parents' labor? Do we also judge children by the sins of their father? If someone's money is transferrable, why not blame or shame?

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Post by talmand »

user5994461 wrote: post #792
talmand wrote: post #760

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Don't worry, it's just someone that has no idea of what they speak of pretending they know how to tell other people in a completely different context on how their lives should have turned out.

Just because your life turned to having no home and no pension doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.

I believe that was exactly my point.

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Post by upbeatlinux »

mike10010100 wrote: post #802
mankypro wrote: post #768

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"often un-earned economic advantage implies some sort of inherent moral or economic superiority is an almost laughably privilege-blind perspective." Using your logic (only related to this portion of your post, because as you stated money, does in fact, beget money), one should not work hard for one's progeny to have an inheritance? Should estate law just be modified and have all assets of a dead person go to the stat…

> Should estate law just be modified and have all assets of a dead person go to the state? Why not? Why should a dead person continue to exert their influence in the form of cash after they're done personally contributing to society? Why does someone deserve the fruits of their parents' labor? Do we also judge children by the sins of their father? If someone's money is transferrable, why not blame or shame?

It's unfortunate there is so much wealth inequality but that's a bit of a separate issue. In certain situations there should be a threshold and that's why estate taxes exist. However a lot of us not only work for ourselves but to better our childrens' future station or at least give them a better chance at not being riddled with debt like we are / were.

I think your sin analogy isn't an apples to apples comparison nor does it make sense in this context. However I'll play devil's advocate.

If your father was a felon / committed "sins" then most people in society are going to be skeptical about how you might turn out. It's an unfortunate truth. Not to say you will be a felon but based on the environment you were raised in you have a statistically higher likelihood of becoming a felon / deviant. So yes, you will be judged by the sins of your father whether you like it or not. That's why people leave their home towns for to start new lives or change their names. I'm not saying its right but that's the reality.

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Post by sombremesa »

Pica_soO wrote: post #793
reaperducer wrote: post #767

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I feel this every time I'm between jobs. I'm all of gasp 45, and know from experience that the coding job I have right now, I have to ride as long as I can because at my age I'll probably never get another job again. It doesn't matter how skilled a person is, or how much experience they have, in Silicon Valley you have a better chance of getting hired as a 20-something serial dog molester than a 50-year-old experienc…

So if a older techie would redo his undergrad degree- he would reenter the workforce?

You could also just leave the degree off your resume. If you have recent experience, you can even omit some of your early experience. Degrees don't count for a lot (unless you have zero experience) in silicon valley or tech companies in general, unless you're going for a research spot.

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Post by nathanasmith »

whack wrote: post #800
ThrowAway3456 wrote: post #700

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Visible Minority men here chiming in; I find this type of perspective (and the lack of empathy that underlines it) kinda saddening. Most of the argument you are saying are the same we used to make to other minority, "No i didn't mean all of them", "Understand the context in which i make a wide generalization etc..." > assumed the speaker meant... I am guessing you are not an old person being subject to ageism... > Co…

It's certainly not ok to discriminate on the basis of age/gender/race, regardless of whether the victim is old/white/male or young/black/female. And that's exactly why I think it's problematic that the vast majority of fortune-500 executives are oldish/white/men. It hints at the discrimination faced by other demographics when they try to pursue executive roles. If someone could demonstrate convincingly that executive…

So to sum up what you're saying, you're a hypocrite and no matter what anybody says showing you how much of a hypocrite you are, you're just going to dig in. Got it.

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Post by andai »

gaius wrote: post #490
andai wrote: post #416

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> That’s the culture: the on-board shuttle group produces grown-up software, and the way they do it is by being grown-ups. It may not be sexy, it may not be a coding ego-trip — but it is the future of software. When you’re ready to take the next step — when you have to write perfect software instead of software that’s just good enough — then it’s time to grow up.

but it is the future of software It's over two decades since that was written. I remember reading it when it was first published. Does it look much like the future?

It might not be the future of software, but it's the software of the future, in the sense that it's what enabled us to get to the moon, and will enable us to get to Mars.

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Post by vfc1 »

PopsiclePete wrote: post #728
vfc1 wrote: post #438

The best way to avoid this altogether is to start your own Internet business way before hitting 50. Why would you still want to be working for someone else at that age? Being an employee is not the only way to earn a living, internet entrepreneurship is a very realistic alternative, and a much better life in general.

And everyone who starts a business is successful at it?

No, but I think the failure rate of starting a business is deformed by the startup culture.

A small business of one person plus a couple of part-time assistants is much more likely to work than a 20 person company, there's a spectrum to it and the 95% failure rate gulps everything together.

What'qs the worst it can happen. You try for one year, doesn't work and back to the corporate world.

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