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Docker is Dead

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Re: Docker is Dead

#31

Dead? Really? TLDR - author disapproves of Docker's management & monetization strategy. However, offers no evidence for a "dying" docker. ClickBait.

Typical for HN, the article got hidden. It's well known YC alumni have some additional HN mod permissions and Docker is YC S10 (Summer 2010 batch of YCombinator).

Re: Docker is Dead

#32
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology is not "docker" but containerisation.

No, technology is "docker." Containerisation is a family of technologies, but things like runc or - especially - LXC are quite different.

Thank you, I didn't realize LXC wasn't the only interface to cgroups used by Docker. TIL.

Re: Docker is Dead

#33
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology is not "docker" but containerisation.

No, technology is "docker." Containerisation is a family of technologies, but things like runc or - especially - LXC are quite different.

And projects like rkt don't exist in your world?

while it's been a while since my last brush with kubernetes, didn't they use kubectl?

So yeah... it's containerisation, not docker.

Re: Docker is Dead

#34
post #29

The article title should probably differentiate between the state of Docker as a company, and Docker as a software product. That said, with all major cloud providers now offering Kubernetes cluster management with a free Kubernetes host , and the economy-of-scale offered by those cloud providers driving the costs of cloud computing down, I'm not sure how Docker Swarm can compete.

Docker as a software product may die pretty soon as people switch to containerd which includes more or less all the functionality you want and none of the bugs you don't want.

If you use Docker post version 1.11 (like many people do) you already use containerd (and runC)

https://medium.com/@tiffanyfayj/docker-1-11-et-plus-engine-i...

Re: Docker is Dead

#36
post #15

Despite the rise of Kubernetes, it's not for every use case and far from it. Docker Swarm and Docker Compose are extremely valuable with small deployments and development. It's by the far the easiest and simplest way to get a cluster up and running.

Why would you want to get a small cluster up and running as a small deployment? I’d rather use google or amazon hosted container services.

Agree docket-compose is useful, but that’s an open source standalone program, not something you pay docker for.

Re: Docker is Dead

#37
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, technology is "docker." Containerisation is a family of technologies, but things like runc or - especially - LXC are quite different.

And projects like rkt don't exist in your world? while it's been a while since my last brush with kubernetes, didn't they use kubectl? So yeah... it's containerisation, not docker.

Rkt is functionally different enough from Docker to be called a different tech, and Kubernetes is, like, a totally different category. Are you also calling bicycles, cars and motorbikes the same technology, because they all use the technology called "wheel" somewhere?

Re: Docker is Dead

#38

If Docker's future is an acquisition, who will it be? I have not thought deeply about this, but like the author, I have also heard scuttlebutt. From the "good for us" perspective, the community would not miss the company's leadership on Linux Container standardization nearly as much as the aggregation service that is DockerHub. But from the "good for the acquiring company" perspective, who would care? A GitHub or a R…

I'm not sure how you put GitHub in the mix to acquire Docker, they are not a very big company in terms of revenue (currently they talk about a $200m run rate, which is pitiful even compared to RedHat).

But I agree Microsoft is the most likely buyer. They are probably just waiting for the bottom to fall out for Docker and they can snap it up for the right price.

Re: Docker is Dead

#40

I think what Docker the software is doing is great. Try and setup an in house kubernetes cluster that is secure. It’s next to impossible. Now setup the new Docker Swarm. Takes all of a few commands to be setup properly

The main problem is that no one is going to setup their own Kubernetes cluster, it has become a commodity cloud service. You might run minikube on your laptop, but unless you are a large company with a dedicated Kubernetes team you are not going to run it yourself.

Docker swarm is easier and better if you just need a small local cluster. Though for most things just a single system setup with docker-compose will suffice.

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