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LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police

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Post by aswanson »

brucephillips wrote: post #656
aswanson wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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My point is that if you did have a way of killing a commuter to save your own live, you would be justified in doing so, just as a cop is. The fact that you don't is a consequence of how driving works, not of power that society is stripping you of. You do have this right on the street, for instance. Just as a cop does.

My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' and the law is too loose and allows cowards and nervous people with badges to get away with preventable murder.

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Post by brucephillips »

aswanson wrote: post #661
brucephillips wrote: post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that if you did have a way of killing a commuter to save your own live, you would be justified in doing so, just as a cop is. The fact that you don't is a consequence of how driving works, not of power that society is stripping you of. You do have this right on the street, for instance. Just as a cop does.

My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' and the law is too loose and allows cowards and nervous people with badges to get away with preventable murder.

> My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life '

Not reasonably, no, which is why all people, including cops, must continue to be allowed to defend their own lives when their is a reasonable threat.

Can you really not imagine a situation where a cop would reasonably fear for their life? Really?

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Post by dredmorbius »

throwaway171230 wrote: post #600
WhatIsDukkha wrote: post #100

What bothers me about these situations is just the entire idea of "SWAT" as practiced. You are a cop with 5+ other cops. You all pull your guns. Someone comes to the door, groggy in the middle of the night. They may or may not understand you are police. They may or may not believe you are the police. They are definitely confused/frightened/angry by your presence. We now begin the dice rolling process. Since every pol…

The person making the prank is in the wrong, but so are the officers. How I see it is that the officers of their own freewill took on the role of law enforcement and public service. Fully aware that they would be put in life threatening situations. Their first instinct shouldn't be to fire first to save their own skin, but be trained to take time to assess the situation and risk erring on restraint of force. Most of…

Individual police officers individually opting out of individual SWAT missions, or teams, or equipped-police-departments, isn't going to end SWAT tactics.

Policy changes, and collective action, are.

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Post by anonoholic »

anonymous231e1 wrote: post #632
dingbat wrote: post #159

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and being woken in the middle of the night, wearing boxers or pajamas with hands in the air, better pray that they don't happen to slip down causing you to instinctively "reach for your waistband" in order to hitch them up

Anonymous for obvious reasons... This happened to me on Wednesday about 5:00am. My wife and I had gotten into a terrible fight. She suffers from terrible alcoholism. This week of Christmas has been absolutely horrible as demons resurface. She awoke me from my sleep about 4am, drunk and outraged because I asked if she was wearing a robe in bed. Things spiraled very quickly out of control, my wife was out of control, a…

So sorry to hear your story. As an alcoholic though (currently 1.5 bottles of wine down, and wishing I had another to hand), I find it hard to reconcile your situation. Your wife was drunk, you were not, but both lost control? Not judging, just asking.

The reason I ask is that only situation in which my alcohol abuse has triggered any kind of verbal exchange is where (unaware of my situation) my partner has been snappy about something, and due to lack of sleep (staying up late, secretly drinking), I've responded less diplomatically than I would have liked. Never abusive, never physical by either party, and only a small number of times.

Under no circumstance has either of us become physical. That's a totally different problem, and I'd encourage you to seek help for your wife (If I'm understanding correctly that she was the one that became aggressive, or both of you otherwise) It's probably also the time to consider what's best for you both in the long term.

Unrelated to that, but apropos your comment and the OP, I had a cop pull a gun on me when I was 19. I naively, but quite literally laughed it off, as I was doing my job and had no idea the risk I was in from his overreaction.

I was in college, but working a night security job. I had to check the premises set the internal alarm, then check the outside doors. Unfortunately a (really stupid) design flaw in the alarm system resulted in the occasional false silent alarm.

On this occasion, as I was checking the outside doors, a cruiser rolled up, the cop saying they'd received an alarm call.

I identified myself, invited him in (first mistake), then said I'd switch off the alarm (second mistake - why I don't know - it was a silent alarm!)

Switching off the alarm with a key switch required reaching around a door in to a closet where the alarm system was.

I turned around to discover the now less-than-friendly looking cop pointing his gun at me.

I laughed instinctively, as to my innocent mind it seemed absurd. Thankfully, that seemed to drop his guard. He was 6 feet away, and my hands were now clearly empty.

I wasn't asked to follow Simon-says "crawl towards me with your left foot over your right, and your hands straight in the in the air, or we will shoot you type instructions, and shortly after, the dispatcher ID'd me as being a registered person for the property.

Now that I think about it, I had several negative experiences with the cops in a 2 year period. (Broke into my residence in the middle of the night for no reason - I was more embarrassed that it was untidy!; gatecrashed a party because they "didn't like the music" (no neighbours, no disturbance), probably looking for underage alcohol; stopped for speeding on a bicycle!!!

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Post by dredmorbius »

sschueller wrote: post #421
Pica_soO wrote: post #392

Swat teams need unarmed camera drones, who scan the situation ahead of them. Smash some windows for god sakes, but not people.ö

No, they need proper training. Things like this don't occur all the time in other countries.

That and consequences.

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Post by fatbird »

goblins wrote: post #596
servantleader wrote: post #585

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It's called being a "Public Servant" for a reason. Meanwhile, the rest of us don't get any cushy pensions or any of forms of guaranteed stable government benefits like police do. Not trying to say they should consider themselves "less-than", more that they should be fucking servants. Police aren't the point! They are a necessary fixture to enable the real point- SAFE, LIVE CITIZENS.

Meanwhile you're not putting you life on the line to protect a public who couldn't give two shits about you. The police are is a game of heads they lose tails they don't win; what ever they do. No one wants to hear about the lives they save everyday, no one cares about when a cop is injured or killed doing their job; they deserved it right. It's one of the toughest jobs you can do; and you're damned if you do and dam…

More police are killed in traffic accidents than in violent confrontations. When you factor out traffic accidents in police deaths, being a cop is actually one of the safer jobs in North America.

All your bullshit about putting your life on the line is just psyching yourself up to shoot people. Cops don't put their life on the line. They sometimes get killed by people for no reason, but in smaller numbers than civilians get killed by people with guns for no reason. All your heroic language does is justify cops shooting innocents because they're scared.

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Post by aswanson »

brucephillips wrote: post #662
aswanson wrote: post #661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' and the law is too loose and allows cowards and nervous people with badges to get away with preventable murder.

> My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' Not reasonably, no, which is why all people, including cops, must continue to be allowed to defend their own lives when their is a reasonable threat . Can you really not imagine a situation where a cop would reasonably fear for their life? Really?

Of course I can imagine one. The point is, the law is written such that any statement by the cop stating fear has to be interpreted as truth. Hence non convictions on a body armored cop, with 4 backing officers shooting 5 ak rounds in a prone crying man's unarmed back after a stupid game of Simon says.

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Post by valuearb »

isostatic wrote: post #530
valuearb wrote: post #314

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This isn't the movies, cops should never be kicking down the door in a hostage situation. They should be guarding the perimeter and trying to talk to the perpetrator.

Which is exactly what happens in the movies - die hard for example.

It was the only realistic part of the film.

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Post by valuearb »

kbar13 wrote: post #326
valuearb wrote: post #302

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Shouldn't they prepare for the most likely scenarios, i.e. it's a bogus call or misrepresented whats happening, or that the perp just wants to surrender? How often do these calls turn out to be actually dangerous? One in a dozen? A hundred? Should cops wearing body armor use sniper rifles to shoot someone on their porch several hundred feet away just on the off chance they might have a pistol in their waistband?

if you worked a job where your life is legitimately at risk then you would know that you prepare for the worst every time.

Preparing for the worst means wearing body armor, not pointing your hair triggered gun at unknowns who aren’t aggressive and whom don’t appear to have weapons.
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