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Whatever. Also don't forget, then, the cost of living in the Bay Area (astronomical) and the difficulties of policing in Oakland (formidable). Pension is something we should all expect. Not resent.
Pension is something we should all expect at 50? Really?
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I really do think teaching people how to be non-threatening would be one of the most effective methods of avoiding tragedy. I know you make light of educating large numbers of people, but there are a lot of things we all know about society in order to be safe. It seems to me that "sudden movements in tense situations provoke violent reaponses" isn't that hard of a thing to learn. Don't we teach people not to run from…
What about mentally ill people? People on medication that make them groggy? People who are drunk in their own home? People who are exhausted from a huge week at work? Children? Elderly? People cannot reasonably be expected to “stay calm” at a moments notice. That is completely unreasonable.
What bothers me about these situations is just the entire idea of "SWAT" as practiced. You are a cop with 5+ other cops. You all pull your guns. Someone comes to the door, groggy in the middle of the night. They may or may not understand you are police. They may or may not believe you are the police. They are definitely confused/frightened/angry by your presence. We now begin the dice rolling process. Since every pol…
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Yet, plenty of people go into the military. I call bullshit. And frankly the only people I want wearing the badge are ones who are willing to sacrifice themselves, even if it’s a much smaller number of officers being paid much more and are much more skilled.
I call bullshit on this. These cops have to be willing to consider their lives less important that everyone else's. Bullshit. Yes plenty of people go into the military. For myself it was because I could not get a better job. Was I willing to die for my country, yes, but I sure as hell wasn't of the opinion I wouldn't be doing everything in my power to make sure I wasn't. I was just reading the other thread on here ab…
What bothers me about these situations is just the entire idea of "SWAT" as practiced. You are a cop with 5+ other cops. You all pull your guns. Someone comes to the door, groggy in the middle of the night. They may or may not understand you are police. They may or may not believe you are the police. They are definitely confused/frightened/angry by your presence. We now begin the dice rolling process. Since every pol…
Precisely why the "feared for my life" defense of police execution has to be ended. I fear for my life on the freeway when an idiot driver cuts me off. And I didnt make a conscious decision to risk my life by being on the same road with said driver. And yet, cops are given that power to end a life for a situation they consciously chose to put themselves into by career. US law is bullshit.
Bad analogy. You have no option to kill them to save your life.
What bothers me about these situations is just the entire idea of "SWAT" as practiced. You are a cop with 5+ other cops. You all pull your guns. Someone comes to the door, groggy in the middle of the night. They may or may not understand you are police. They may or may not believe you are the police. They are definitely confused/frightened/angry by your presence. We now begin the dice rolling process. Since every pol…
and being woken in the middle of the night, wearing boxers or pajamas with hands in the air, better pray that they don't happen to slip down causing you to instinctively "reach for your waistband" in order to hitch them up
Add it to the lawsuit, later.
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There is just one way this isn’t a massive police screwup, and that’s if the person SWATed reacted in a way that was (very) threatening, such as grabbing a gun, or something that is reasonable the police could believe was a gun. My hunch here is that, just like you are suggesting, Swat teams are used incorrectly as first response in unconfirmed situations. No investigation by anyone has confirmed the threat. At the e…
What kind of investigation would you suggest take place before hand about a situation where there is supposedly a person with hostages who has already killed one?
With the right training, American officers can behave in exactly the same manner.
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Precisely why the "feared for my life" defense of police execution has to be ended. I fear for my life on the freeway when an idiot driver cuts me off. And I didnt make a conscious decision to risk my life by being on the same road with said driver. And yet, cops are given that power to end a life for a situation they consciously chose to put themselves into by career. US law is bullshit.
> I fear for my life on the freeway when an idiot driver cuts me off. Bad analogy. You have no option to kill them to save your life.
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> I fear for my life on the freeway when an idiot driver cuts me off. Bad analogy. You have no option to kill them to save your life.
Exactly my point. Why should a so called trained officer of the law have more fear and less ability to preserve life in at a level of risk the average commuter or health care professional has? Nurse aides are confronted with more violent situations statistically and don't kill anywhere near the rates of cops.
source?
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When I watch the Philip Brailsford body cam footage, I find it hard to believe this is a sane assumption to operate under. The polite come in, in full tactical armer, to a guy in shorts and t-shirt, and execute him because he couldn't keep his pants up as he crawled across the floor towards them face down? Come on.
I agree. That one's rediculous.