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Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Yes, I’m sure it really is that simple.

It's not a question of it being simple it's a question of ROI the market would be too small. If you read the article this was done using stock Eurocopter AS350 Squirrel.

I don’t doubt you at all. I truly believe nobody has ever thought through all the ways of rescuing people from Everest. This has the power to be game-changing.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Delsalle I bet you could design helicopter that would be able to repeat this with much less effort

That chopper was stripped to the bone so that one dude could fly in it, with a fuel time of 1 hour. It also landed on the summit which is more flat. Don't think it would be easily and safely able to carry an addition (dead) body that's probably perched on an incline, let alone carry rescuers. It takes upwards of 6 hours to chip the dead body off the ice (if it's been frozen there for a while)

I am not advocating building one or using it to remove bodies I am just speculating that it's possible to design and build a model that could accomplish the fit much easier and that theoretically could be used for rescue. It's obviously would require too much $ to be practical.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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It's hard to put a price on the certain lives of rescuers that will be lost (given enough rescue missions).

Just tell the climbers in advance they will not mount rescue missions for people who do not meet a minimum threshold of competence and preparation.

How about not mounting publicly funded rescue missions at all? You can pay for insurance if you want someone to risk their life to come get you.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Everest is an absolute beast of a climb. Even with preparation and a full team, lives can be (and have been) lost. Going it alone, while remarkable, is extremely deadly and Nepal is doing the responsible thing by banning such endeavours. For other teams of climbers also, it's one of the more sinister (and perhaps annoying) things - when you're doing well on your climb, but your good nature makes you abort your effort…

It has no technical challenge from the standard "tourist" route and mainly presents economic obstacles, in that it costs as much as an SUV. Most people in decent health could train for a year and summit successfully. It is the mountaineering equivalent of reading an entire encyclopedia. Sheer volume of effort is all it takes.

While I agree that most people can do it, it's a very large undertaking often lasting 30-40 days. A lot can go wrong in that time, including ill health or injury. That's why having others with you makes sense.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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It's not just a waste of money. Climbing Everest, even with oxygen, produces permanent brain damage.

Interested in this, where did you read/hear this?

Evidence of brain damage after high-altitude climbing by means of magnetic resonance imaging.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16443427/

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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As someone with some mountaineering experience in North America, I am really surprised to hear that they ever allowed this in the first place. Of course, one could argue that govt shouldn't have any power over what an individual can do, but the same people who argue for that liberty also ask govt to go search when someone goes missing in the mountains. And you can only search for so many people. I think it is reasona…

> but the same people who argue for that liberty also ask govt to go search when someone goes missing in the mountains It's two distinct groups. If there is overlap there'll likely be ideas like fining someone after a rescue unless they have insurance, & then leaving it up to insurance companies to decide about solo climber coverage

Good point. My point is that some people don't think about the consequences of what they are asking for, unless prompted for it, and they usually have ideas that are contradictory. Of course, your point still stands and I agree alternatives should be considered as well. However, I am still in support of forcing people to go in groups because it is safer. I don't have data, but I do believe from experience that there is safety in numbers.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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post #21

I'd rather see Nepal ban fixed ropes and yank the ladder off the Hillary Step, but that'd kill the whole industry.

i’m with you. No serious alpinists do much of anything on everest these days, and it’s hard to do a rational cost/benefit for the fees of well-heeled tourists versus the rights of the sherpas and the state of the mountain.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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As someone with some mountaineering experience in North America, I am really surprised to hear that they ever allowed this in the first place. Of course, one could argue that govt shouldn't have any power over what an individual can do, but the same people who argue for that liberty also ask govt to go search when someone goes missing in the mountains. And you can only search for so many people. I think it is reasona…

> Of course, one could argue that govt shouldn't have any power over what an individual can do

If I were in charge (I never will be), my first inclination would be to not restrict high risk climbing. But then I wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that a hands off approach would be that simple. I'd want to understand the drawbacks of people dying on the mountain. I'd be concerned with being responsible for rescue costs, being vilified for not making rescue attempts, the cost of medical treatments, the lives lost in attempting to make rescues, any correlations between deaths & the number of climbing attempts made (is it scaring people away, attracting even more, etc.), how the press coverage affects Nepal's public image, and so on. In the end, banning high risk climbing might simply be a good & conservative decision.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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As someone with some mountaineering experience in North America, I am really surprised to hear that they ever allowed this in the first place. Of course, one could argue that govt shouldn't have any power over what an individual can do, but the same people who argue for that liberty also ask govt to go search when someone goes missing in the mountains. And you can only search for so many people. I think it is reasona…

This regulation is for foreign climbers. I don’t think people expect full personal liberty in a foreign country.

Well, some do, but what they expect and what they actually have a right to, are different things.

Re: Nepal bans solo climbers from Mount Everest

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Nepal has more basic things to worry about. Sorry. Some rich dude hanging at the edge of some cliff should be problem number 58299 in their or my list.

This is gone crazy. At least have a written note that forbids anyone from saving their life if it comes to it. They put their own life and the rescuers' lives at risk.

Everytime someone proudly says 'i climbed the Everest ' oh cool, I immediately think, who is the sherpa? They get my praise. Not some rich, over priveleged dude who thinks the rest of the world has to bend to their will for whatever sordid privileged game they are interested in playing.

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