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Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by [deleted] »

Barrin92 wrote: post #14
doggydogs94 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case, you can help them secure the capital.

The problem isn't just capital in the sense of fiat currency, the problem is that they have no state and no rule of law, no incorporation into the global economy either formally or factually. There is no real way to even operate a global or local industry without the basic requirements, they are excluded from the rest of the world. There isn't a single serious facebook competitor in the entire United States. Please d…

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Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by gridaphobe »

this2shallPass wrote: post #40
forapurpose wrote: post #36

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I don't know what you mean by proof, but it's filled with information that supports the claim. For example, Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked said Tel Aviv had submitted 158 requests to the social media giant over the previous four months asking it to remove content it deemed “incitement.” She said Facebook had granted 95 percent of the requests.

This information does support the claim that the Israeli government submitted requests to Facebook. I wonder if Facebook publishes information on how many requests each government makes. Aside: It's funny the article says Tel Aviv submitted the requests, when the office is in Jerusalem http://www.justice.gov.il/ContactUs/Pages/default.aspx . Subtle.

It’s standard to use the capital city to refer to the actions of a state. Tel Aviv is the internationally accepted capital of Israel, not Jerusalem.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by gaius »

Barrin92 wrote: post #7
danjoc wrote: post #6

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It's Facebook's business. They can run it any way they want. You want to promote Palestinian civil rights? Start your own Facebook.

yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.

This was posted earlier https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/world/asia/myanmar-govern...

Facebook is chaotic neutral at best...

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by achamayou »

nradov wrote: post #31
saas_co_de wrote: post #5

There is no way Facebook can satisfy the competing demands of different political factions and their own users so the more they capitulate to political demands the more users they will drive away and the more radical the demands on them will become. Hopefully this intensifies their downward spiral into irrelevance.

There's no technical reason why Facebook can't present different views and filters on the same underlying data depending on which country an HTTP request comes from. Personally I find that kind of collaboration with censorship disturbing, but they clearly have the engineering talent and financial motivation to make it work. I doubt this will drive many users away. Most people just don't care. And most users' friends…

That's the way map services already work in some cases, showing the commonly accepted borders and area names based on the user's detected location.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by ceejayoz »

prove_np wrote: post #37
pwaai wrote: post #27

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> I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. Well, if you bury your head in the sand on a hot summer afternoon and proceed to claim its night, it's hard to take further claims seriously. I will agree that there is extremists on both ends that just furthers their own political/economic interests and muddies the water. ...but my analysis of the conflict over ther…

I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

> We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing.

I suspect if Palestinians had F-16s and Apache gunships available they, too, would avoid street battles.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by eecc »

prove_np wrote: post #37
pwaai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. Well, if you bury your head in the sand on a hot summer afternoon and proceed to claim its night, it's hard to take further claims seriously. I will agree that there is extremists on both ends that just furthers their own political/economic interests and muddies the water. ...but my analysis of the conflict over ther…

I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

Then stop your government from taunting, harassing and humiliating Palestinians. I understand being prey of FUD so I can imagine how difficult it is -- what if we let them, they'll take over, they'll out-number us, push us back to the sea! -- but you should collectively stop voting cynical sociopaths that lead your country just to prepare for the next round of war and further cement their grip on their constituency.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by shard972 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #7
danjoc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Facebook's business. They can run it any way they want. You want to promote Palestinian civil rights? Start your own Facebook.

yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.

Doesn't help either that zuckerberg is a jew.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by zionic »

yakitori wrote: post #23
saas_co_de wrote: post #5

There is no way Facebook can satisfy the competing demands of different political factions and their own users so the more they capitulate to political demands the more users they will drive away and the more radical the demands on them will become. Hopefully this intensifies their downward spiral into irrelevance.

> There is no way Facebook can satisfy the competing demands of different political factions and their own users so the more they capitulate to political demands the more users they will drive away and the more radical the demands on them will become. Yep. This is why FB, GOOGL, etc needed to be "neutral". The day they caved in is the day their "promise" ended. The demands of censorship will continue. FB is deluding…

IMO, the solution to this is to develop FOSS platforms that run similar to a mesh network, yet to the common user look like an app or a website.

Russia can't direct "BitTorrent" to do something.

And really, it seems like social networks are perfect for these kinds of swarm P2P systems where the protocol is some evolving standard and various clients can interact with it.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by solatic »

nradov wrote: post #31
saas_co_de wrote: post #5

There is no way Facebook can satisfy the competing demands of different political factions and their own users so the more they capitulate to political demands the more users they will drive away and the more radical the demands on them will become. Hopefully this intensifies their downward spiral into irrelevance.

There's no technical reason why Facebook can't present different views and filters on the same underlying data depending on which country an HTTP request comes from. Personally I find that kind of collaboration with censorship disturbing, but they clearly have the engineering talent and financial motivation to make it work. I doubt this will drive many users away. Most people just don't care. And most users' friends…

(IANAL) To make that really work, you need to collate data from different databases located in different sovereignties.

If somebody is on an American sanctions list, then Facebook USA making an account for that person on a database located on American soil violates the sanctions. That American citizens can't see the relevant account's data is irrelevant; if anything, it could actually amount to obstruction of justice if American investigators have a warrant to see the relevant data on an American server and it does not appear in the investigator's UI despite the warrant.

The way to solve that is to have different legal entities own different sets of data that exist under different sovereignties and then draw upon the data from each sovereignty through established (although potentially entirely private to Facebook and its foreign subsidiaries operating the foreign servers) protocols.

Re: Facebook Is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the US and Israeli Governments

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Post by Udik »

prove_np wrote: post #37
pwaai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. Well, if you bury your head in the sand on a hot summer afternoon and proceed to claim its night, it's hard to take further claims seriously. I will agree that there is extremists on both ends that just furthers their own political/economic interests and muddies the water. ...but my analysis of the conflict over ther…

I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to d…

> I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to do it in the fields, with soldiers bullying and taking lands they don't own." For fuck sake, give me a break.

"Give me a break"? Isn't what you described exactly what happens?

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