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The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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Can someone tell me if this idea is crazy?

I've noticed that fundraising and liquidity are common problems for startup founders, and it seems to me that the public stock market could solve many of those problems. What if all startups were publicly traded entities right after incorporation?

Some of the benefits you would gain as a founder:

- A larger pool of potential investors. You would have access to investment from anyone instead of just accredited investors. For example, it would be interesting if early adopters could invest in startups that they support just as easily as they can buy stock in Apple because they love Apple products.

- Liquidity. You could buy and sell your shares of the company at any point. If you're a startup founder investing 100% of your time and capital into a business, it makes sense for you to diversify your assets at some point and not put all of your eggs into one basket.

- Better incentives. If your company was publicly traded from Day 1, you would still be incentivized to raise the value of your business because you still own shares. Better yet, now you don't have to worry about building a billion dollar business to satisfy the economics of your investors, you can sell shares of your $20M business so you're not worrying about your exit strategy all the time.

There's been a lot of activity in this space with the new crowdfunding bill, the SEC loosening up requirements for small companies, and things like ICOs. Has anyone else ever considered doing this with their startups? Just curious to hear what others think.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #16

"Tenured shareholder voting power, meaning that a shareholder’s votes would be proportionately weighted by the length of time the shares have been held" I wonder if we're going to see the rise of holding companies just to get around this rule. "Our holding company owns shares in XYZ, and will never sell those shares ever. Instead of buying/selling XYZ directly, you can instead buy/sell shares in our holding company.…

Doesn’t that still achieve the goal? No one is dumping the shares on news cycles.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #16

"Tenured shareholder voting power, meaning that a shareholder’s votes would be proportionately weighted by the length of time the shares have been held" I wonder if we're going to see the rise of holding companies just to get around this rule. "Our holding company owns shares in XYZ, and will never sell those shares ever. Instead of buying/selling XYZ directly, you can instead buy/sell shares in our holding company.…

It seems like sufficiently clever lawyering ought to be able to prevent this, by tying the voting power to the entity that has the right to obtain the benefits of the stock price going up. At the very least this prevents the LLC hack.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #21

Can someone tell me if this idea is crazy? I've noticed that fundraising and liquidity are common problems for startup founders, and it seems to me that the public stock market could solve many of those problems. What if all startups were publicly traded entities right after incorporation? Some of the benefits you would gain as a founder: - A larger pool of potential investors. You would have access to investment fro…

This is a real scenario where I think cryptos will change the ecosystem in the next few years. There is a LOT to figure out in this space (ICO Madness), but I believe once the dust settles, this is a real problem that could be solved.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #8

https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-vs-wall-street-c... In the linked WSJ article, that explains this quite a bit better than the medium blogpost. Basically, it appears that the main thing is that the voting power of shares win increase with the time the shares are owen. (Though there's talk of opting in to this process.) There's also going to be a prohibition on companies giving quarterly earnings guidance.…

Naked shorters by definition own no stock currently so have no right to vote, but it may or may not affect calculations regarding the average seniority of stock against which rights are measured (it cannot be absolute, since you could conceivably have a situation where everybody shuts purchased the stock, and thus ownership of all would be zero, and thus nobody would have a right to vote). And what of options and oth…

Yeah I expect these rules will be rendered effectively moot by equity swap trading.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #6

It would be nice if they explained what it actually was. This paragraph has zero informational calories: > The LTSE is designed to remove the short-term pressures that plague today’s public markets and reorient companies and investors around long-term thinking. Through brand new listing standards, software tools, and advocacy, we’re reinventing the public company experience with novel approaches to executive compensa…

Thanks for posting that. Have you found any reference to how they would handle short selling or derivatives? What if my ownership is of negative duration (naked short), how would that affect the average against which the seniority is measured (clearly I would have no title to voting). It has to be a relative measure since otherwise if everybody just bought the stock everybody’s rights would be 0 and nobody could vote…

> Have you found any reference

I haven't bothered searching. If they don't care enough to sell me on the idea - and they probably don't, I'm not their target - I don't care enough to go looking for reasons to buy into it.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #16

"Tenured shareholder voting power, meaning that a shareholder’s votes would be proportionately weighted by the length of time the shares have been held" I wonder if we're going to see the rise of holding companies just to get around this rule. "Our holding company owns shares in XYZ, and will never sell those shares ever. Instead of buying/selling XYZ directly, you can instead buy/sell shares in our holding company.…

Doesn’t that still achieve the goal? No one is dumping the shares on news cycles.

The shares of holding companies would end up being the ones getting dumped.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #21

Can someone tell me if this idea is crazy? I've noticed that fundraising and liquidity are common problems for startup founders, and it seems to me that the public stock market could solve many of those problems. What if all startups were publicly traded entities right after incorporation? Some of the benefits you would gain as a founder: - A larger pool of potential investors. You would have access to investment fro…

This is a real scenario where I think cryptos will change the ecosystem in the next few years. There is a LOT to figure out in this space (ICO Madness), but I believe once the dust settles, this is a real problem that could be solved.

agreed - what we're seeing is essentially a peer distributed stock market or "blockchain-like" linking of salaries to perf and voting to stock (proof of stake). I view it as a good first step, but I am expecting an ethereum-based platform to one-up this idea in a few years.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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Hey everyone, Eric Ries here. I’m the founder and CEO of the LTSE (and also the Lean Startup guy). Happy to see the discussion here and will try and answer a few questions. Unfortunately, a lot of the details of how the LTSE works are subject to regulatory approval, so I can’t share too much while we are working out the details with them. Still, I’ll do my best to answer.

Thanks for the comments and happy new year

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Comes to Life

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post #23
post #16

"Tenured shareholder voting power, meaning that a shareholder’s votes would be proportionately weighted by the length of time the shares have been held" I wonder if we're going to see the rise of holding companies just to get around this rule. "Our holding company owns shares in XYZ, and will never sell those shares ever. Instead of buying/selling XYZ directly, you can instead buy/sell shares in our holding company.…

It seems like sufficiently clever lawyering ought to be able to prevent this, by tying the voting power to the entity that has the right to obtain the benefits of the stock price going up. At the very least this prevents the LLC hack.

Nice to see someone thinking past the obvious loopholes. Our rules are a little more complicated than this, but you’re on the right track.
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