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Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by kazinator »

praulv wrote: post #8

"I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. It took me five months to process and understand that Jacob had violated my trust and my body. It is common for victims of rape to take months, if not years, to come to terms with this, particularly if the abuser is one in a position of trust to them." What the actual fuck? This is insanity. I don't care for a t…

Allow me to coin a new portmanteau: regrape.

"I no longer want that person to have done that with me half a year ago. I hereby retroactively revoke my consent and bring on the charge or regrape."

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by belorn »

mpweiher wrote: post #5
xref wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chelsea addressed this in her post if you had read it. "I have worked with legal counsel throughout this entire process. I have strongly considered the idea of seeking criminal charges in Germany against Jacob, but initiating lengthy legal proceedings in another country which I am neither a citizen nor a resident is a significant barrier for me. That said, I would gladly discuss this with any interested German author…

That’s not addressing it. At all. Rape is serious crime. It is therefore an ‘Offizialdelikt’, which means that it must be prosecuted if the Staatsanwaltschaft knows about it, and once they know about it, it becomes their case. Not pursuing this through the criminal justice system because you can’t be bothered, but instead resorting to public defamation instead is at best fishy, because in the context of an Offizialde…

To clarify (if necessary), its the distinction between criminal vs civil case. Rape is prosecuted by the state on the initiate of the state. The victim do not "initiating lengthy legal proceedings", they only report the crime to the police and the dedicated prosecutor for sexual violence crime is responsible to take it from there.

A victim of such crimes have a right to be heard, right to get support, and the right to receive compensation from the accused if they are found guilty. The victim is not required to testify and the accused can still be found guilty.

In some cases it happen that the victim rescinds their version and the prosecutor still continue to go forward with the case. That can't happen in civil cases but it can in criminal.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by [deleted] »

praulv wrote: post #8

"I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. It took me five months to process and understand that Jacob had violated my trust and my body. It is common for victims of rape to take months, if not years, to come to terms with this, particularly if the abuser is one in a position of trust to them." What the actual fuck? This is insanity. I don't care for a t…

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by justifier »

siproprio wrote: post #7

> I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. Anything else to the story?

Yes, well before the quote you referenced out of context the author stated:

> Less than a week later, Jacob raped me in his apartment. Two of Jacob’s friends witnessed the assault, one other participated.

> In June 2016, I published a description of my assault under the pseudonym “River” on jacobappelbaum.net alongside others’ accounts of harassment and assault.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by justifier »

mpweiher wrote: post #9
siproprio wrote: post #7

> I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. Anything else to the story?

Well, no. Or, maybe yes. She seems to be saying that she is not capable of giving consent, meaning that she is the legal equivalent of a child. Odd, but that is apparently where modern day so-called feminism is going. Seems more like anti-feminism to me, quite frankly. Odd.

> She seems to be saying that she is not capable of giving consent, meaning that she is the legal equivalent of a child.

What in this post could lead anyone to that conclusion?

The author established sexual boundaries

> When I became romantically involved with Jacob, I clearly told him that I wasn't interested in group sex, or having sex in front of other people. I told him this more than once, and clearly stated that if we were going to be intimate, I wanted it to be with him in a private setting.

And had those boundaries violated while intoxicated

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by justifier »

praulv wrote: post #8

"I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. It took me five months to process and understand that Jacob had violated my trust and my body. It is common for victims of rape to take months, if not years, to come to terms with this, particularly if the abuser is one in a position of trust to them." What the actual fuck? This is insanity. I don't care for a t…

The real insanity is that the majority of comments are clinging to this out of context sentence as discrediting the author especially when it comes well after this earlier statement

> Less than a week later, Jacob raped me in his apartment. Two of Jacob’s friends witnessed the assault, one other participated.

> In June 2016, I published a description of my assault under the pseudonym “River” on jacobappelbaum.net alongside others’ accounts of harassment and assault.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by justifier »

throwawaymonkey wrote: post #6

This public shaming without any police report is really troubling. A woman can totally derange a mans life with zero evidence. Either you feel you have been violated, and then you go to the police, or you keep it to yourself. This "trial by twitter" that's going on at the moment is disgusting. A person is supposed to be presumed innocent, and then the alleged victim has his or her day in court. With this, the alleged…

The 'consensual sexual relations with him during those three days' is out of context

The author also states:

> Less than a week later, Jacob raped me in his apartment. Two of Jacob’s friends witnessed the assault, one other participated.

> In June 2016, I published a description of my assault under the pseudonym “River” on jacobappelbaum.net alongside others’ accounts of harassment and assault.

Why ignore some parts of a discussion and only discuss elements that satisfy your predetermined opinion?

You also place the word rape condescendingly in quotes which I interpret as you insisting the definition of the word is important

In that case what is your definition of rape?

In 2012 the doj updated it's, unchanged since 1927, definition of rape: “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition...

>I'm just saying she put herself in a stupid situation

Can you elaborate? What was the stupid situation? Are you asserting attendance absolves the attacker?

> How is a future husband and wife supposed to meet?

the Geraldo defense: https://youtu.be/-neJp7xRIPk

An aside.. I apologise for bringing the levity of Colbert's comedy into this conversation but I feel sometimes comedy can be a tool to reach out to the people who enter a discussion with their minds obstinately predetermined

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by throwawaymonkie »

justifier wrote: post #17
throwawaymonkey wrote: post #6

This public shaming without any police report is really troubling. A woman can totally derange a mans life with zero evidence. Either you feel you have been violated, and then you go to the police, or you keep it to yourself. This "trial by twitter" that's going on at the moment is disgusting. A person is supposed to be presumed innocent, and then the alleged victim has his or her day in court. With this, the alleged…

The 'consensual sexual relations with him during those three days' is out of context The author also states: > Less than a week later, Jacob raped me in his apartment. Two of Jacob’s friends witnessed the assault, one other participated. > In June 2016, I published a description of my assault under the pseudonym “River” on jacobappelbaum.net alongside others’ accounts of harassment and assault. Why ignore some parts…

"I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. It took me five months to process and understand that Jacob had violated my trust and my body."

You're argument is that the second sentence has nothing to do with the first? However, since I parsed it that way, and you seem to agree that having consensual sex and changing opinion later is not rape, then we agree on that. Happy days.

The definition of rape you bring is retarded. What if a woman captures a male, forces an apple pie back and forth on his penis? By the definition you chose to bring to this discussion, that's not rape. You're pretty much outing yourself as a sexist.

Now, about predetermined opinion, you're actually right. I care a lot about the judicial tradition of presumed innocence. This woman decided to be judge, jury and excutioner... In fact, it's worse than that, she decided to be judge, jury and executioner on a case she can't possible be objective about.

So my predetermined opinion is that: If you have been wronged, go through the judicial system. Just tweeting or blogging doesn't have to pass any bar of truth or supply any evidence. That's just wrong. Very wrong. File a police report or you're full of shit.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by throwawaymonkie »

justifier wrote: post #17
throwawaymonkey wrote: post #6

This public shaming without any police report is really troubling. A woman can totally derange a mans life with zero evidence. Either you feel you have been violated, and then you go to the police, or you keep it to yourself. This "trial by twitter" that's going on at the moment is disgusting. A person is supposed to be presumed innocent, and then the alleged victim has his or her day in court. With this, the alleged…

The 'consensual sexual relations with him during those three days' is out of context The author also states: > Less than a week later, Jacob raped me in his apartment. Two of Jacob’s friends witnessed the assault, one other participated. > In June 2016, I published a description of my assault under the pseudonym “River” on jacobappelbaum.net alongside others’ accounts of harassment and assault. Why ignore some parts…

Why was my comment flagged?

Re: Jacob Appelbaum Accused of Rape

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Post by throwawaymonkie »

justifier wrote: post #17
throwawaymonkey wrote: post #6

This public shaming without any police report is really troubling. A woman can totally derange a mans life with zero evidence. Either you feel you have been violated, and then you go to the police, or you keep it to yourself. This "trial by twitter" that's going on at the moment is disgusting. A person is supposed to be presumed innocent, and then the alleged victim has his or her day in court. With this, the alleged…

The 'consensual sexual relations with him during those three days' is out of context The author also states: > Less than a week later, Jacob raped me in his apartment. Two of Jacob’s friends witnessed the assault, one other participated. > In June 2016, I published a description of my assault under the pseudonym “River” on jacobappelbaum.net alongside others’ accounts of harassment and assault. Why ignore some parts…

"I thought Jacob was a friend and engaged in consensual sexual relations with him during those three days. It took me five months to process and understand that Jacob had violated my trust and my body." You're argument is that the second sentence has nothing to do with the first? However, since I parsed it so that the second sentence followed the first, and you seem to agree that having consensual sex and changing opinion later is not rape, then we agree on that.

I'm not fond of the definition of rape you bring. What if a woman captures a male, forces an apple pie back and forth on his penis? By the definition you chose to bring to this discussion, that's not rape.

Now, about predetermined opinion, you're actually right. I care a lot about the judicial tradition of presumed innocence. This woman decided to be judge, jury and excutioner... In fact, it's worse than that, she decided to be judge, jury and executioner on a case she can't possible be objective about.

So my predetermined opinion is that: If you have been wronged, go through the judicial system. Just tweeting or blogging doesn't have to pass any bar of truth or supply any evidence. That's just wrong. Very wrong. File a police report or society should not give credence to your claims.

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