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Legal Marijuana Isn’t the Boon Small Businesses Thought It Would Be

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Post by obmelvin »

tomcam wrote: post #58
renlo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty common knowledge among heavy weed smokers that those strains have those effects. Sometimes science lags a bit behind ...

Science lags behind stoners. Duly noted.

In this case it's mainly attributable to the DEA's scheduling system. People have to rely on personal experience because there isn't proper research being done.

This is my greatest frustration around the use of drugs. I think it's ludicrous that more research isn't done on substances that millions of people take.

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Post by gozur88 »

wils1245 wrote: post #3

Two things of interest that the article doesn’t go into: - Taxes on weed in CA are going to be very high, ~20%. This may drive black market sales. - Online ordering through Eaze is popular, which might drive the familiar winner take all online commerce market dynamic. A lot of people don’t care for the dispensary experience. At the end of the day, this is an agricultural product, and a commodity. It was optimisticall…

>Some heavy users care about certain strains and the like, but I have a feeling that for most people weed is weed.

I'd be surprised if that's the case, and even if it's the case in the beginning, I'd be surprised if it's still the case after a few years.

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Post by root_axis »

Fnoord wrote: post #38
root_axis wrote: post #20

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> Today people need to be reasonably sure that what they're getting will meet their needs, because for some one hit may send them spiraling in the totally wrong direction. A user with anxiety issues may need to entirely steer clear of sativas because they are known to cause anxiety attacks. But someone who needs to be around other people may need to avoid indicas because they are known to cause delayed responses and…

I can't comment on the latter though it may be dangerous to operate machinery or drive just like that's true with SSRIs. Then again, the same might be true with an upper, like Ritalin, or anti psychotics. But the reverse could also be true. Someone with f.e. ADHD who uses Ritalin might be able to be a better driver _due_ to the Ritalin. As for the former, 1) its widely documented and I can personally attest that mari…

Sorry if my post was a little unclear, I am aware that some marijuana users sometimes experience anxiety as well as the other risks and symptoms you describe, I was specifically referring to the suggested disparate effects of indica vs sativa strains.

> to put it black-and-white: sativa gets one high, while indica gets one stoned.

It's not the first time I've heard this idea, but I have never seen an authoritative source, only the suggestion from marijuana connoisseurs that it is the case. Studies have shown that almost all commercially available marijuana is mislabeled and that many popular marijuana strains are not necessarily chemically distinct despite evident morphological differences - that is to say, most people probably don't know what they're consuming so it may not be wise to rely on the wisdom of the crowd to vet these ideas.

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Post by Fnoord »

root_axis wrote: post #73
Fnoord wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't comment on the latter though it may be dangerous to operate machinery or drive just like that's true with SSRIs. Then again, the same might be true with an upper, like Ritalin, or anti psychotics. But the reverse could also be true. Someone with f.e. ADHD who uses Ritalin might be able to be a better driver _due_ to the Ritalin. As for the former, 1) its widely documented and I can personally attest that mari…

Sorry if my post was a little unclear, I am aware that some marijuana users sometimes experience anxiety as well as the other risks and symptoms you describe, I was specifically referring to the suggested disparate effects of indica vs sativa strains. > to put it black-and-white: sativa gets one high, while indica gets one stoned. It's not the first time I've heard this idea, but I have never seen an authoritative so…

Well, they'll always contain a % of THC and CBD. Together with their taste and freshness, people become a regular of a certain strain from a certain shop because then these factors are the most static.

If you check strains on e.g. Leafly you can see that most are hybrids, and you can also see their ancestry (how they came about). Although in the shop I worked, hybrids weren't sorted as such; all strains were sorted on effect. Clerks were smokers themselves, so they knew what they were selling, because they knew whether they'd get stoned or high. New strains were enthusiastically tested.

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Post by smcnally »

root_axis wrote: post #73
Fnoord wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't comment on the latter though it may be dangerous to operate machinery or drive just like that's true with SSRIs. Then again, the same might be true with an upper, like Ritalin, or anti psychotics. But the reverse could also be true. Someone with f.e. ADHD who uses Ritalin might be able to be a better driver _due_ to the Ritalin. As for the former, 1) its widely documented and I can personally attest that mari…

Sorry if my post was a little unclear, I am aware that some marijuana users sometimes experience anxiety as well as the other risks and symptoms you describe, I was specifically referring to the suggested disparate effects of indica vs sativa strains. > to put it black-and-white: sativa gets one high, while indica gets one stoned. It's not the first time I've heard this idea, but I have never seen an authoritative so…

The Open Cannabis Project curates data from testing labs, the NIH, and elsewhere.

https://opencannabisproject.org/external-data-resources/

I have not seen the mislabeling studies you note. Most of the labels -- strain names -- are not intrinsically meaningful anyway.

w/r/t being chemically distinct, the research I've read show clear differences in cannabinoid and terpene composition between major strains, hybrids created from those, and within all of these per particular harvest, origin, conditions.

The pharmacological effects of those compositions on you won't be exact -- they provide guidance.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabi...

(ibuprofen, gin, and brussel sprouts don't effect you and me exactly the same way, either, but we have the general idea of what's involved.)

there's more anecdotal evidence than hard scientific research available because cannabis has been consumed for 3,000 years, but it's been an illegal narcotic in the US for the last 60.

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Post by smcnally »

danenania wrote: post #59
delbel wrote: post #29

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THC inhibits the GABA neurotransmitter. GABA is responsible for the "calmness" factor in the brain. Low levels of GABA cause anxiety, paranoia, etc. Certain strains have different terpenes profiles. Terepenes are responsible for the aroma of the flower. Some terpenes change the way THC is absorbed, including preventing the inhibition of the THC GABA effect, which is why terpenes are also responsible for the aromather…

That's really interesting. Do you know of any sources that list these sorts of properties for strains (and that are reliable/empirical)? I presume the tags on sites like Leafly that mark a strain 'calming' or 'good for depression' are anecdotal and not based in chemistry?

Some empirical effects reasearch from the NIH: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabi...

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Post by randomblob »

freeflight wrote: post #52
wils1245 wrote: post #3

Two things of interest that the article doesn’t go into: - Taxes on weed in CA are going to be very high, ~20%. This may drive black market sales. - Online ordering through Eaze is popular, which might drive the familiar winner take all online commerce market dynamic. A lot of people don’t care for the dispensary experience. At the end of the day, this is an agricultural product, and a commodity. It was optimisticall…

> I have a feeling that for most people weed is weed. That oversimplification works both ways: For many people, beer is just beer. And just like with beer, there are endless variations of cannabis strains, different ways or preparation and different ways of consuming. Just the way cannabis is cured can make a vast difference in taste and effect. With alcohol, many places often have centuries-old traditions for consum…

I would argue the difference between strains is even bigger than the difference between various types of beer.

As stated in some comments, a cannabis user expects a certain effect and some strains can lead to exactly the opposite effect as the desired one.

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Post by randomblob »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #49
nitwit005 wrote: post #13

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There seems to be no shortage of prosecutions for people smuggling cigarettes, or avoiding the taxes.

I've literally never heard of a cigarette-smuggling prosecution. I don't doubt that it happens, but it's small-time. Given the option, it seems that most people would rather pay a bit more than creep around like criminals to get their fix.

Cigeratte compannies employ private investigators to drive up prosecutions.

Here's an article about the subject (german): http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/zigarettenschmuggel-er...

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Post by skimaskninja87 »

Easy answer.... Squares don't know how to sell weed. It's been so underground for so long, walking in a store or searching online comparing prices is both a foreign and weird process. These shops may need to recruit some real hustlers. No different than hiring a sales staff.

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Post by draw_down »

skimaskninja87 wrote: post #79

Easy answer.... Squares don't know how to sell weed. It's been so underground for so long, walking in a store or searching online comparing prices is both a foreign and weird process. These shops may need to recruit some real hustlers. No different than hiring a sales staff.

The shit sells itself. And there are plenty of such stores already in existence in nearby states to crib from.
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