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Review: Copperhead OS

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Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by floatboth »

cJ0th wrote: post #60
JetSpiegel wrote: post #3

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There's always LineageOS

is it completely de-googled though (even when play services are not installed)? Honest question. To me it seems as if that's not one of the main interests of the lineage community. I do use lineageOS myself and am generally very content with it but I am always a bit concerned when I see that the data usage of OS components (which are thrown together as one "app" in the settings) is more than a few MB. The system must…

When play services are not installed, it's "never been googled". It's AOSP.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by deftturtle »

rifung wrote: post #137
cornholio wrote: post #86

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You might be a Google employee, but you do not seem to be an Open source proponent. That's you prerogative, but you completely miss the point of the discussion if you ask why should users want to be independent from proprietary services. Sure, 99% don't want that and would click any colored and shiny button if it promises them a free Justin Bieber ringtone, but this is not the topic of the thread.

I prefer software that is open source. I like to contribute my time, effort, and money to open source software as well, at least that which I find useful and interesting. I guess I'm not an open source proponent but just whatever you would call the above? What would you consider to be an open source proponent? Someone who believes all source code should be open source? > That's you prerogative, but you completely mis…

From a cursory scan of the comments, it looks like people are frustrated about not having control over their devices. Right now, iOS and Android control the user, restricting freedom and choices. For example iOS won't let me record my screen while the Netflix application is running. Clearly this is to protect DRM interests, but the principle is that Apple has ultimate control over how my iPhone behaves. I cannot provide a false GPS location to apps. I can't lie about battery level. I can't lie about notification permissions or fool applications. We need to be able to lie to our devices to have freedom and control them.

So back to how this relates to an Android being tied to Google Play: you as the user don't have ultimate control over your device. And that means you don't fully own your device.

That's my perception of the main issues with control from Apple and Google. Lots of great software and hardware being produced, but we need to have more power over the operation of our gadgets.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by seba_dos1 »

craftyguy wrote: post #140
seba_dos1 wrote: post #135

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The newer version of signature spoofing patch (included in microG's LineageOS fork) allows you to control the spoofing and make sure that it's only used when necessary and permitted, so I'd say the answer is "no".

Interesting. I know the microG folks tried to upstream a patch to Cyanogenmod, which the devs shot down almost immediately.. So you're saying that the microG folks are now maintaining a fork of LineageOS? If it's not tracking VERY closely to upstream LineageOS, then it's probably not worth it.

https://lineage.microg.org/ - tracking very closely, just adding the spoofing patch and preinstalling microG, F-Droid etc.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by seba_dos1 »

floatboth wrote: post #150
seba_dos1 wrote: post #135

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The newer version of signature spoofing patch (included in microG's LineageOS fork) allows you to control the spoofing and make sure that it's only used when necessary and permitted, so I'd say the answer is "no".

IIRC all the spoofing patches required a special app permission to spoof.

IIRC the newer version requires the app to not only have the permission, but also be installed as a system app, so you can't install it accidentally.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by zeep »

rifung wrote: post #138
zeep wrote: post #92

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Cloud services are probably the thing that is the farthest away from being open-source non-proprietary software... and he is working on cloud services, so I can understand where he comes from...

While I understand what you were getting at, we actually do open source some of our software as well as contribute to an early open source project so I wouldn't say it's the FARTHEST away..

The software that you are open sourcing, is it software that allows you to access the back-end or are you actually releasing software that could allow someone else to start his own cloud service?

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by JetSpiegel »

mpartel wrote: post #14
billpollock wrote: post #5

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I use that but it's all Google based. Not sure if you can decouple it from Play Services without breaking everything.

LineageOS runs fine without Play Services. It's actually the default mode. It just limits your app choices. My needs are simple so I don't really mind, and I appreciate the improved battery life and speed. It turns out many apps from the Play Store don't actually have a hard dependency on Play Services. Example: Slack works, except for notifications and (IIRC) receiving calls, which is good enough if you don't need t…

I use Yalp Store to use apps from the Play Store and even though almost all of them "require" Play Services, most work just fine and worst case scenario they have a nagging screen about requiring Play Services but work just fine.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by Feniks »

zanedb wrote: post #59
dominotw wrote: post #50

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I've done this with all Google apps minus maps. Haven't found anything close to Google maps. Also how do I turn off location tracking by Google, constantly asking me to upload pictures, write a review, answer questions ect

Yes please! I understand you can disable the notifications in Maps settings, but that likely doesn't disable the constant location tracking. Does anyone know how to disable this?

Disable GPS, bluetooth and wifi scanning. Guaranteed to work.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by ryukafalz »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #110
ryukafalz wrote: post #102

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>fused location system ... which can't exist without Googles involvement That's kind of a cop-out though. It certainly could exist without Google's involvement if the location provider were a pluggable module within AOSP. microG does this - my phone supports the fused location API using Mozilla's location database instead of Google's. (There are other modules too, like a local database of cell towers if you're willin…

How would you have push provider available as a module? The sender is communicating with a particular push provider.

The client could provide the push service to use when initially setting up push notifications for that app. I believe that's how Web Push works.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by slphil »

kakaorka wrote: post #143
slphil wrote: post #101

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This is true, but building from source isn't very hard. (I also don't care for the Pixel -- I have no desire to upgrade from my Nexus 6 and recommend it to others seeking a de-Googled phone.)

I had a nexus 6 for 2 years. Just replaced it last month with an iPhone 8+. My experience with the nexus was horrible and I will never buy another android phone. The quality of the hardware is just abysmal. I hope the iPhone proves itself better.

I have had only a single problem with my Nexus 6, as far as hardware goes: the USB port on the bottom sucks. On the other hand, there is an obviously superior way to charge the phone, since it supports Qi charging, which I have stations for at my office and home. I only need to use the port when flashing a new ROM (it works, but only in precise alignment).

You should provide some actual claims about the problems you had with the hardware rather than just complaining.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by [deleted] »

ryukafalz wrote: post #158
lern_too_spel wrote: post #110

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How would you have push provider available as a module? The sender is communicating with a particular push provider.

The client could provide the push service to use when initially setting up push notifications for that app. I believe that's how Web Push works.

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