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Review: Copperhead OS

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Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by bhnmmhmd »

agentdrtran wrote: post #8

> do think it will happen, however. The use case involves corporations, especially those involved in privacy sensitive fields such as health care. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a locked down “business” VM that is separate from a “personal” VM with your Facebook, games and private stuff on it. This already exists for businesses with Samsung Knox / Android for Business. No it's not a full OS but it fits all of their need…

Sometimes I don't understand all the hatred toward Google having our data on their servers. Most alternative solutions offer fragmented services (as opposed to the all-in-one experience I get with Google) and are too cumbersome to setup. Yes, I know data is sort of power these days. But before bashing at Google/Apple/Microsoft... and banning their services, people should ask themselves: "What sacrifices are they making and for what?" I mean, I would totally feel convenient when my contacts are synced on my devices and I get a unified experience. Google knowing about my contacts is just the price I pay to get that service and honestly, from my experience, it's better for Google to have my data because they keep adjusting the service I get in return.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by paulryanrogers »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #30
JepZ wrote: post #26

Sometimes I am wondering what Google employees think when they read headlines like this one. I mean they probably have no problem giving the personal data to Google, but at the same time many of them are probably open source proponents and would support a world where the Google services would be entirely optional to Android. A few days ago I was thinking about a new smartphone and because my main problem with my curr…

Google services are entirely optional to Android. See AOSP. This criticism appears often on HN, despite how little sense it makes. If you don't like the data that Google Maps collects, simply use another map application. I delete all the useless Google apps off my phone as soon as I get it and keep only the ones that are actually useful.

Lots of third party apps rely upon Google APIs which are not a part of ASOP

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by Mo3 »

wffurr wrote: post #21

Reviewer touts "security focused" OS, promptly disables "trusted sources" check for installed software. Turn it back on, sure, until the next time you want an APK that's not listed in F-Droid. Seems like a bad idea. How about writing to your favorite app developers and asking them to list on F-Droid instead of sideloading?

Not only this, he won't receive security updates for his apps any more.

Thank you, I'm staying with default Android and continuing to read what I am prompted for. He could've just opted out of most data collection, no, he had to skip it without even reading it like a 60 year old office worker at a insurance company.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by z3t4 »

I don't think it would be that hard to have two separate CPU's on a phone, then use a hardware switch to wake one OS up and put the other to sleep.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by lern_too_spel »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #32
lern_too_spel wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google services are entirely optional to Android. See AOSP. This criticism appears often on HN, despite how little sense it makes. If you don't like the data that Google Maps collects, simply use another map application. I delete all the useless Google apps off my phone as soon as I get it and keep only the ones that are actually useful.

Lots of third party apps rely upon Google APIs which are not a part of ASOP

In what way does that mean that Google services are required for Android? Lots of Linux games rely on Steam being present.

If you don't want Steam, don't use games that require it. If you don't want Google services like Google's Maps widget or its push messaging service or its game leaderboard, use apps that use another data source for maps and another persistent connection for push messages and another leaderboard service.

F-Droid and Amazon's App Store are filled entirely with apps that don't (can't) use Google's services, yet many on HN blindly continue to claim that this is not possible.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by floren »

chisleu wrote: post #25
agentdrtran wrote: post #8

> do think it will happen, however. The use case involves corporations, especially those involved in privacy sensitive fields such as health care. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a locked down “business” VM that is separate from a “personal” VM with your Facebook, games and private stuff on it. This already exists for businesses with Samsung Knox / Android for Business. No it's not a full OS but it fits all of their need…

> Having one OS in a "vm" on a phone sounds horrible UX wise I believe most android people are doing this with users. Since Android is now up to the task of docker (kernel 3.10+), it would be very nice to see apps sandboxed with permissions exposed via networked APIs. Then it is impossible for an app (sans exploit) to access private data, and simple for the OS to route certain apps to certain data sets (ie, fake cont…

I had considered trying something like this with Hellaphone (Inferno as a replacement for Android's Java components). Because the Inferno VM is so lightweight (startup took less than a second once you were out of the bootloader), you could easily run one whole VM per application. Then just make some sort of multiplexer to swap between which VM has screen access at any one time. 9P would make a rather straightforward way to provide services for applications, too.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by kbenson »

bhnmmhmd wrote: post #31
agentdrtran wrote: post #8

> do think it will happen, however. The use case involves corporations, especially those involved in privacy sensitive fields such as health care. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a locked down “business” VM that is separate from a “personal” VM with your Facebook, games and private stuff on it. This already exists for businesses with Samsung Knox / Android for Business. No it's not a full OS but it fits all of their need…

Sometimes I don't understand all the hatred toward Google having our data on their servers. Most alternative solutions offer fragmented services (as opposed to the all-in-one experience I get with Google) and are too cumbersome to setup. Yes, I know data is sort of power these days. But before bashing at Google/Apple/Microsoft... and banning their services, people should ask themselves: "What sacrifices are they maki…

It's the competing incentives of a company that provides data services to end-user customers and a company that mines as much information about people to sell advertising to companies.

Without strong controls about what they can do, we are always at the whim of what they might do. Google feels like a fairly bipolar company from the outside, because they present two faces depending on who they are dealing with, end-users or companies looking to advertise.

As an end-user, Google knowing all the little details about everything I do and many places I go (because analytics JS, G+ button inclusion, etc) is disconcerting. For a company looking to advertise, them not doing this all of a sudden would be disconcerting, and they would probably look to some other company that is doing so. It isn't just Google. Facebook knows a startlingly large amount about you too.

I'm increasingly convinced this is one of those places where the market is failing us because the negative externalities are mostly hidden. Those are good places for targeted regulation. I wouldn't be entirely appeased, but a law about the ability to review all information collected about you from a company and strong controls about the access, sale and use of this information would go a long way towards making me less worried about Google (or whoever) changing quite a bit in the next decade and selling off the information.[1]

Because think about it, how far away are Google, Facebook and the umpteen other ad agencies with complex profiles of you from usurping the credit bureaus?

1: Maybe what we need is an interesting billionaire to buy a lot of personal information on all the U.S. politicians from one of the less public agencies and publish it. I'm sure we would get a law passed in record time.

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

agentdrtran wrote: post #8

> do think it will happen, however. The use case involves corporations, especially those involved in privacy sensitive fields such as health care. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a locked down “business” VM that is separate from a “personal” VM with your Facebook, games and private stuff on it. This already exists for businesses with Samsung Knox / Android for Business. No it's not a full OS but it fits all of their need…

Doesn't Android for Work also handle this without being tied to Samsung?

Re: Review: Copperhead OS

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Post by notspanishflu »

JepZ wrote: post #26

Sometimes I am wondering what Google employees think when they read headlines like this one. I mean they probably have no problem giving the personal data to Google, but at the same time many of them are probably open source proponents and would support a world where the Google services would be entirely optional to Android. A few days ago I was thinking about a new smartphone and because my main problem with my curr…

My hope is in the Halium Project https://halium.org/

Now I'm running UBPorts in my Nexus 5 https://ubports.com/

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