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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by chaostheory »

carterehsmith wrote: post #222
ProAm wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people are 10x more sensetive than other platforms that have all the same issues. To be fair it's because they charge 3-4x what other platforms charge (the ones that do) and use to have a slogan saying "It just works". People paid the Apple tax because they didnt have to deal with these issues and now they do and still pay the Apple tax.

>> they charge 3-4x what other platforms charge Wait... where is this 3-4x number coming from? Are there any examples?

ProAm is probably referring to desktops. I don't feel it's hard to get something equivalent or very near equivalent in power to a Mac Pro and spending 3x less.

When it comes to laptops, the Apple tax is only about 2x more unless you compare it to an MS Surface Laptop which is about equal in price and quality.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by javajosh »

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

My upgrade went fine, but my wife's upgrade hosed her hard-drive, and we had to wipe and start over, installing from a thumbdrive. We both have late 2013 MBPr's. The apple support person was really nice, but failed miserably to help us even build the bootable drive (they didn't understand how to use Disk Utility to create a GUID partition, or how to use Terminal to install the OS)

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by themagician »

chris_wot wrote: post #211
themagician wrote: post #201

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Of course it’s ridiculous. Has the number of reported problems with Macs increased over the last 10 years? Sure. Their market share has also increased like crazy. Today’s Mac doesn’t seem anymore unpolished than yesterdays. They just support a lot more software and devices than they ever used to. Get a Mac and use it the way you might have 10-15 years ago when they only supported a few dozen peripherals and 3rd party…

Where did you get this from? > The biggest difference is back then you probably didn’t spend 12 hours a day in front of the machine.

Because screen usage, in all forms, was a lot less 10-15 years ago than it was today.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by davidf18 »

I've been using Mac since 2011. I use Mac 2016 Office including Outlook for reading mail.

The Mac generally works well for me and I run all sorts of open source software on it. I recommend the following to minimize pain. If you do this, I have trouble understanding why you'd have software issues.

1. Every year with the .1 upgrade e.g. 10.13.1 I do a fresh install by backing up everything, clearing the disk to fresh install the software from a bootable USB (e.g. 10.13.1).

2. With each point upgrade, eg. 10.13.2, I apply the combo update.

3. I reboot every day or two, depending on what I've been doing.

4. Upgrade hardware every couple of years.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by eridius »

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

I upgraded my iMac, zero problems so far (though admittedly this uses a fusion drive so no AFPS).

As for reasons to upgrade, there's nothing particularly exciting, but things are just a little better. A lot of nice stuff in Safari, though at least most of it is available in Sierra as well, and I'm not actually sure offhand what (if any) requires High Sierra. HIEF support for photos so they take less space. Also better editing of photos in Photos, including the ability to muck about with live photos (e.g. looping them, bouncing them, etc), which is fun. Notes has some good stuff, such as tables, pinned notes, and sharing with other people (which I've made heavy use of lately). And so on.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by FussyZeus »

garyrob wrote: post #228
tjr225 wrote: post #225

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Are they really unreliable? I use a 2013 macbook pro (that I bought refurbished mind you) and it works just as well as the day that I bought it, except that the mute key doesn't work. The 2015 mbpr I used at my previous employer seemed just as sturdy. I also abused an iphone 5s for years until an upgrade to an iphone 7 earlier this year. Seems like a pretty stable device. I don't see these problems. Now I'm stuck wit…

Apple hardware still seems excellent to me. It's the software that's unreliable.

^ This. Apple's hardware is second to none, and iOS is mostly alright but it feels like MacOS lags behind further and further with each release. Though I suppose Apple isn't selling the software so they have no reason to improve it.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ProAm »

chaostheory wrote: post #231
carterehsmith wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> they charge 3-4x what other platforms charge Wait... where is this 3-4x number coming from? Are there any examples?

ProAm is probably referring to desktops. I don't feel it's hard to get something equivalent or very near equivalent in power to a Mac Pro and spending 3x less. When it comes to laptops, the Apple tax is only about 2x more unless you compare it to an MS Surface Laptop which is about equal in price and quality.

Yes I was mainly referring to desktop and laptops. Phones were mostly in the 2x range for a longtime until other companies began to push their 'flagship' phones at high prices as well. I've never been an Apple person but I used to recommend Apple to my non-technical friends and family and say, 'Your going to pay a bit more but not have to worry about it not working, getting viruses (back when this was an issue), etc...' but I don't feel that way anymore.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by brian-armstrong »

ethbro wrote: post #218
martin1975 wrote: post #212

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...and an epic example of the bigger they are the harder they fall in the making. Am typing this from Sierra OSX, btw, not cynical, just kind of bummed about the decline of OSX' quality.

Some of this seems the inevitable fate of all large tech companies. Apple / Amazon / etc compensates highly to retain engineering talent -> overweight tech salaries -> engineers burning out / leaving for more interesting startup opportunities -> successful startups being reacquired Unfortunately, doesn't work so well for things like operating system codebases (NeXTSTEP acquisition aside).

I'm not sure the salaries have anything to do with it, and I vaguely recall Apple being middle of the pack there anyway.

I think it's more about appealing to peoples' ambitions and desire to be recognized in this case. Imagine if a VP of Engineering addressed you directly to 'make a big impact' on the company's new secret product. Many engineers would want to impress this person, consequences be damned.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by apatheticonion »

Makes sense. I'm going to use this as a venue to bitch about my experience with MacOS. I have been a long time Windows/Linux user but have long admired MacOS from a distance as it appeared to be, essentially, a polished Linux distro. Bash along side consistent UX, sign me up.

I purchased a MacBook Pro 8 months ago. I walked into the experience loving it. I wanted to love it. I wasn't some Windows fanboy who hates on MacOS, it's just that after I got using it for a while, I was shocked at how unintuitive it really was. The good things were really great (trackpad gestures, spotlight, it's aesthetic) but that bad things were silly bad (full screen apps, no intelihide on the dock, no window tiling, battery, finder, garbage filesystem support, etc)

I felt betrayed. (NZD, 2017 13" best touchbar model) I paid 3000 of my hard earned dollars for dated specifications so I could have access to what I expected would be the ultimate user experience on a computer. I ended up selling my MacBook after 6 months because every time I looked at it, I remembered how much I paid and how much the UI frustrated me. High Sierra was the tipping point, I was hoping for an improvement to my experience, instead they gave me a new file system and "ES5 support in Safari" - according to Tim Cook.

I'm keeping up with MacOS and hope they start caring about their MacBook/MacOS product(s), because as soon as they do, I'll buy one.

For the record, Windows and Linux have their own sets of compromises, but I can run them on a Laptop I bought for $800, or a used Desktop I got for $200, being equally as productive.

tl;dr - I was happy paying the premium for UX, however I got an incomplete product and I was mad. /rant

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by cs2818 »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

> Half the OS services break or emit warnings, because the date component considers December 2017 as an illegal month.

This has been frustrating me as well. The console has become a constant stream of these errors, the out of bounds month one is particularly annoying.

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