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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by chris_wot »

themagician wrote: post #201
givinguflac wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is ridiculous. You're seriously taking a 4 post thread on apple support forums as the sky is falling? I use high Sierra daily on my 2013 mbp and have had 0 freezes.

Of course it’s ridiculous. Has the number of reported problems with Macs increased over the last 10 years? Sure. Their market share has also increased like crazy. Today’s Mac doesn’t seem anymore unpolished than yesterdays. They just support a lot more software and devices than they ever used to. Get a Mac and use it the way you might have 10-15 years ago when they only supported a few dozen peripherals and 3rd party…

Where did you get this from?

> The biggest difference is back then you probably didn’t spend 12 hours a day in front of the machine.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by martin1975 »

ethbro wrote: post #200
brian-armstrong wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think Jobs was responsible for this decline. If you read stories about the iPhone's development, you come across anecdotes that Apple tapped its top engineers to get the iPhone out the door. They worked long hours and weekends. Many lost spouses and relationships. It was extremely taxing. Again this is another anecdote, but it seems many of these engineers left around the release of the iPhone 4. The iPhon…

So, essentially the IBM problem of seeing how long brand momentum can keep a train moving?

...and an epic example of the bigger they are the harder they fall in the making. Am typing this from Sierra OSX, btw, not cynical, just kind of bummed about the decline of OSX' quality.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ethbro »

breatheoften wrote: post #150
timdeneau wrote: post #133

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The fix: stop the annual release cycle. There isn't a customer demand for it, and it’s a hassle for basically everyone. The issues in 10.12.x get fixed with 10.13, but 10.13 has the same amount of different issues, so it’s a wash. There’s no stable version anymore.

I disagree with this assertion 100%. They should keep making investment in and improvement to the yearly release process and build the knowledge necessary to do this with fewer errors...

Agreed.

If there was no yearly release deadline, and the project were resourced identically, my experience points to there being even fewer releases of identical quality.

Deadlines needed.

Simply more / better QA resources required.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by kanishkdudeja »

reacharavindh wrote: post #170
pecg wrote: post #106

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Long time voidlinux user here on a laptop, and have also used extensibly: archlinux, gentoo, openbsd (it hosts and smtp, and web server public on the internet), freebsd, alpine and slackware-current. From void you should expect many things to be different: * No launchd or systemd mess. Runit takes care of the init process. * xbps: a fast and simple package management software, that also resolves dependencies. * Clean…

Looking into VoidLinux very much for the reasons you listed. So far, from my playing with void on a VM, it feels like the "OpenBSD" of the Linux world. I love OpenBSD (using it for pf Firewall, DNS and DHCP at work) but I seriously doubt how it'd work in a laptop. My concerns are power consumption, and drivers. Even VoidLinux with the latest linux kernel gives me trouble to enable audio. I really want my laptop to ha…

Why not Ubuntu?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by tonymet »

crdb wrote: post #208

There is a wonderful opportunity for Microsoft right now. Many managers have already switched to OSX for personal use and if they can (including at places like IBM) for work as well. The reliability is unbeatable especially as Windows becomes more and more unintuitive, unreliable and bloated. The key factor to this switch was porting Excel, and to a lesser extent the rest of Office, to Mac. Even with the reduced feat…

Microsoft is seizing on the opportunity. Windows 10 is a great platform for developers fleeing from Mac OS. With Powershell, HyperV, Bash + Ubuntu for Windows (with a 1-click install from the Windows store), on top of the existing best-in-class Visual Studio tools, Windows 10 is an awesome developer experience.

And considering the power and diversity of hardware to power your development workstation, there are few reasons to stick with OSX.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by martin1975 »

crdb wrote: post #208

There is a wonderful opportunity for Microsoft right now. Many managers have already switched to OSX for personal use and if they can (including at places like IBM) for work as well. The reliability is unbeatable especially as Windows becomes more and more unintuitive, unreliable and bloated. The key factor to this switch was porting Excel, and to a lesser extent the rest of Office, to Mac. Even with the reduced feat…

I've been preaching this for years... if MS adopts Linux, ups their GUI effort to create something useful atop Wayland, while providing a seamless way to run Win32 apps until the world migrates to Linux on the desktop helmed by Microsoft, they will completely destroy Apple on short notice.

It would be a major, revolutionary move for Nadella to do this and I doubt he has the heft or charisma to sell this to the board/shareholders, but if Microsoft goes full steam ahead on Linux and dumps Windows, it's buh-bye Apple and everything they ever produced. They can probably even eat into Google's droid pie.

Ditch Win32/NT, port the cash cow called MS Office to Linux and polish a Windows-like GUI atop Linux/Wayland in the best way they can, be it via Qt, GTK, I don't care - just get it done... and set the world ablaze and free.

Bet you they could probably deliver something in under 3 years.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by justinclift »

givinguflac wrote: post #197
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Your comment is ridiculous. You're seriously taking a 4 post thread on apple support forums as the sky is falling? I use high Sierra daily on my 2013 mbp and have had 0 freezes.

> You're seriously taking a 4 post thread on apple support forums ...

Err... that thread seems to have 21+ pages (at the time of writing this comment), including many "Me too" style of comments. Doesn't seem like an isolated problem. :/

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ethbro »

martin1975 wrote: post #212
ethbro wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, essentially the IBM problem of seeing how long brand momentum can keep a train moving?

...and an epic example of the bigger they are the harder they fall in the making. Am typing this from Sierra OSX, btw, not cynical, just kind of bummed about the decline of OSX' quality.

Some of this seems the inevitable fate of all large tech companies.

Apple / Amazon / etc compensates highly to retain engineering talent -> overweight tech salaries -> engineers burning out / leaving for more interesting startup opportunities -> successful startups being reacquired

Unfortunately, doesn't work so well for things like operating system codebases (NeXTSTEP acquisition aside).

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by Fnoord »

hsxd wrote: post #187
baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

I upgraded to high sierra a couple days ago and my MacBook has been freezing AT LEAST once a day. Good on you that you’ve avoided the upgrade, I wish I had too.

Can't you downgrade?

10.13 is terrible for people who use FileVault, in multiple ways:

1) If you upgraded to 10.13.0 your password is being leaked in the password hint.

2) APFS + FileVault performance is abysmal compared to APFS without Filevault or HFS + FileVault or HFS without FileVault.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by rimliu »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

I am using built in Calendar app and iTunes wihout problems.
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