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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by labster »

m3kw9 wrote: post #121
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Nice blanket statement, i don’t think you speak for any die hard Apple fans here. I’m a die hard fan, and I still use all their native apps. I’m not sure how you say they are bloated, notes is probably the best in class of notes apps out there. The calendars and reminder features are stripped down to a fault, but still useful because it just works for me. The stability of the software is getting worse, but with any i…

> I’m not sure how you say they are bloated

Evidently you're not an iTunes user. But agreed on the fact that most Apple applications are pretty decent, with the exception of iTunes (bloated) and Pages (not bloated enough).

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by on_and_off »

makecheck wrote: post #132

I blame strongly Apple’s inability to make developer-focused tools easy and unbreakable . For instance: - I do not file bugs anymore . Their system is absurdly complex, requiring a lot of information up front, and is then 100% opaque. Bugs stay marked New and untouched for months or longer, only to be closed with Duplicate or some other lame status (with absolutely no way to search or read the apparently-similar bug…

I would love this split especially since being unable to specify a default app for many actions on iOS is a pain IMO (one of the big reasons I don't use an iPhone right now).

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by snowwrestler »

27182818284 wrote: post #92
threeseed wrote: post #84

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> Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices When ? Seriously when. I have used MacOS since 4.1 and never remember a period where there was the case. Especially during this phase of the development lifecycle i.e. we have only just had the 2nd point release update. I worked at Apple pre and post Jobs and nothing changed. Because he never managed any of the teams directly an…

Obviously responses are going to be pretty dependent on the person. For me personally the peak was Snow Leopard, then it plateaued for a bit, and then I feel like it has been downhill starting with Mavericks. Snow Leopard was so good I used to evangelize and talk about how great an OS it was with people who probably didn't know OS stood for operating system. It was that good. Now, heck, I haven't even installed the l…

Snow Leopard had problems when it was released. I recall major issues with Mail and WiFi, among others. It was especially frustrating because Apple had made such a big deal about how 10.6 was going to focus on stability and fixing bugs.

Of course it did become very reliable. We remember Snow Leopard that way now, because we remember the last stable version of it. El Cap is very stable for me today. High Sierra certainly still has a chance to get there too.

So, I agree with the GP that Apple has never been in a place where they could release v0 of a new OS X major version without issues. That has certainly not been my experience. I always wait at least a few months before upgrading, sometimes longer.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by mergy »

mberning wrote: post #148

People don't seem to remember or appreciate they quality of pre-iCloud versions of osx and ios. I remember buying Snow Leopard in a cardboard box from Microcenter for $20. It had almost no truly new features. Everything was focused on making things work better and faster. And it showed. I would gladly pay $20 or $50 or $100 or whatever Apple wanted to charge for a true bug fix version of osx.

10.6 was the best. I would absolutely beat on my old Macbook Pro with ffmpeg and compiles along with vmware and months of uptime with no memory leaks, no crashes. I think that was why it was such a shock when Lion arrived and started the decline on quality. I went to Ubuntu on the hardware and did quite well for another year or two before just exiting all Apple hardware entirely.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by hsxd »

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

I upgraded to high sierra a couple days ago and my MacBook has been freezing AT LEAST once a day. Good on you that you’ve avoided the upgrade, I wish I had too.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by snowwrestler »

mberning wrote: post #148

People don't seem to remember or appreciate they quality of pre-iCloud versions of osx and ios. I remember buying Snow Leopard in a cardboard box from Microcenter for $20. It had almost no truly new features. Everything was focused on making things work better and faster. And it showed. I would gladly pay $20 or $50 or $100 or whatever Apple wanted to charge for a true bug fix version of osx.

You're remembering the marketing more than the reality of Snow Leopard. It had all sorts of issues in the initial release. It was only after about 10.6.3 that it started to develop a reputation for being solid.

Snow Leopard ended up being a great release, but it didn't start that way.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by lern_too_spel »

valuearb wrote: post #151
nofilter wrote: post #144

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This reminds me of how OnePlus 5 (Android) sticks 8gb of ram in it, and is as fast as iPhone 7 which has 2gb of ram. Specs don't mean shit if the software that utilizes the hardware is crap.

This reminds me that the iPhone 7 crushes the OnePlus 5 in benchmarks, while using only a quarter of the ram. https://browser.geekbench.com/ios_devices/44 https://browser.geekbench.com/android_devices/383 and even though OnePlus has been caught cheating benchmark tests more than once! https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-benchmark-cheating-... https://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-5-manipulates-bench...

This reminds me that in actual day to day use, a midrange Android phone of the previous generation smokes a top of the line iPhone of the latest generation in time to interactive of productivity apps, and this has been the case for years. Citing CPU benchmarks while talking about RAM shows low understanding of computing. Citing CPU benchmarks when there are better benchmarks for actual productivity shows low understanding of measurement.

https://youtu.be/hPhkPXVxISY

https://youtu.be/YH3uVWFoHe0

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by jroseattle »

nacs wrote: post #171
jroseattle wrote: post #157

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I've had one engineer upgrade his work mac to high sierra. Failure, full stop. We've warned every other engineer not to apply the high sierra OS update until further notice.

And just as anecdotally, we've had all of our engineers upgrade to High Sierra and there haven't been any issues day to day.

Well, more than just an anecdote for us though.

We have 20-30 engineers all running the exact same hardware spec as engineer #1. So, it's sufficient evidence for us.

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