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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by serpix »

bproven wrote: post #122
Cshelton wrote: post #32

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Same here, I'm holding out. You probably already know just how excited I was to hear they will combine Mac OS and IOS into one OS. I can't wait for all the new bu..err.. features we'll be getting!! \s How's Linux doing with battery life on a laptop these days? I think my 2014 MacBook may be my last.

Pretty good for me: My battery life is around 10-12 hours (watching video drops to about 6-7 hours) I did the following out of the box: - Use the Intel graphics exclusively - TLP - Powertop adjustments I also have the screen set at a low pretty brightness level as I find the 9550 screen pretty bright (too bright) at mid-high levels. SPECS: ------------ Ubuntu 17.10 Dell 9550 XPS i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz non-4K screen…

The new rMBP is about five hours if you don't touch it at all. under 4 hours if used for working. It is a step down from my previous 2012 model which is a damn shame.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by mschuster91 »

tolien wrote: post #147
jarym wrote: post #124

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If the MBP without TouchBar that they are currently selling came with the same SSD/CPU options and 32Gb of RAM I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I also know I'm far from alone in that. Argument #2 is parrotting what Apple said. Laptops that get smaller and smaller tend not have the same power efficiency either. Blaming 'more memory' having lower power efficiency is a weak argument when you look at the whole picture. As for…

> Argument #2 is parrotting what Apple said Weak argument or no, it is demonstrably true - the first Intel CPU to support LPDDR4 will be Cannon Lake, expected some time next year. The part that's missing is that Apple could have put a bigger battery in a device that was either the same size as the previous model (or anywhere between the thickness of the previous and current models), or offered customers the choice of…

> or offered customers the choice

Apple does not want consumers to have a choice, or at least only the barely tolerable amount of choice. The more they control and have as uniform as possible the more profit they make.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by wwweston »

timdeneau wrote: post #133
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

The fix: stop the annual release cycle. There isn't a customer demand for it, and it’s a hassle for basically everyone. The issues in 10.12.x get fixed with 10.13, but 10.13 has the same amount of different issues, so it’s a wash. There’s no stable version anymore.

100% agree with this. I can't figure out what they even think the yearly releases schedule is buying for them (particularly on the macOS side) when it's obvious it's costing them on the QC front.

The best strategy seems to be to treat the current release as a beta, and hang back at least one release. If you upgrade to 10.(n-1) just before 10.n is released, you're on a release that's had about two years to mature. Though I skipped Yosemite entirely.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by teilo »

We are a mac-first company. About 350+ machines. We experienced all of these issues while testing High Sierra. Multiple machines, some upgrades, some clean builds. They seemed to be isolated to touchbar models, because we had no such issues on any of our older models, nor the Macbook Esc.

Thankfully, 10.13.2 has fixed all of these issues for me. Before I would get a lock up almost about half the time I tried to awake from sleep. Now I have gone 2 weeks without a reboot.

New macOS releases have been plagued with sleep/wake issues for years, but this one was worse than normal.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by minusf »

christoph wrote: post #11
jarym wrote: post #4

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Have to agree, my biggest concern for putting it off was APFS so I waited until no one complained about it for long enough thinking 'everything else should still be ok' - big mistake. Stay away until Schiller praises the 'stability' release at 2018 Developer Conference.

I think it’s APFS that’s the cause of my biggest frustration, but I’ve not seen anyone else complain about. I normally run with about 50gb free space. After three to four days, I’m normally down to about 3gb and nothing will get it to show back up, other than a reboot. I’ve even run a test which supports this - downloaded 35gb of files, deleted them and emptied the trash. Same thing... space is missing till I reboot.

time machine local backups cannot be disabled anymore (was possible in sierra). these backups are going to a hidden volume and can be listed with the tmutil(8) command. it is not possible to delete all local snapshots with a single command either, the delete subcommand takes a single date...

for this reason i do only on-demand backups when i connect my external backup drive.

another worrying thing is that the time machine backup drives still use HFS+ because APFS does not support directory hard links. so now i am backing up APFS files to HFS+ "bit perfectly".

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by staplers »

vonseel wrote: post #51
pentae wrote: post #39

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In hindsight the best decisions I've made this year regarding the enjoyment of my Apple devices was not upgrading from iOS 10, and not upgrading to High Sierra. I really want to buy new Apple products and enjoy them but the company doesn't make hardware or software I want anymore.

> I really want to buy new Apple products and enjoy them but the company doesn't make hardware or software I want anymore. Problem solved! Move on to buying things you do want.

Realistically, nothing matches macOS in terms of beautiful simplicity with a vast range of apps for designers/artists.

Every other solution requires major hacking and customization (VMs, emulators, obscure OS', lacking in compatibility, mobile integration, backups)

Apple users are complaining so loudly now because they had it good for so long and now it's fleeting.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by juanmirocks »

My data point: I use my MBP for its hardware and OS (which I find reliable) but nearly all the software I use is from third parties, most significantly Google, which does a much better opinion in this matter IMO. Only notes and reminders get my attention.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by wwweston »

mberning wrote: post #148

People don't seem to remember or appreciate they quality of pre-iCloud versions of osx and ios. I remember buying Snow Leopard in a cardboard box from Microcenter for $20. It had almost no truly new features. Everything was focused on making things work better and faster. And it showed. I would gladly pay $20 or $50 or $100 or whatever Apple wanted to charge for a true bug fix version of osx.

Snow Leopard was great. I ran it for over 4 years and it's been the best OS experience I've had.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by seehafer »

mberning wrote: post #148

People don't seem to remember or appreciate they quality of pre-iCloud versions of osx and ios. I remember buying Snow Leopard in a cardboard box from Microcenter for $20. It had almost no truly new features. Everything was focused on making things work better and faster. And it showed. I would gladly pay $20 or $50 or $100 or whatever Apple wanted to charge for a true bug fix version of osx.

Snow Leopard is arguably the best OS apple ever released

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by reacharavindh »

pecg wrote: post #106
reacharavindh wrote: post #59

Not so long ago, I use to justify to myself that: * Mac is good hardware and software I can count on. Just pay and focus on your real job. * Apple cares about privacy very publicly, so they are probably not selling my data or doing anything stupid with it. Although, there is no way for me to know. * My work is buying the hardware for me. Why bother spending time building one that I need to maintain so much. Get the o…

Long time voidlinux user here on a laptop, and have also used extensibly: archlinux, gentoo, openbsd (it hosts and smtp, and web server public on the internet), freebsd, alpine and slackware-current. From void you should expect many things to be different: * No launchd or systemd mess. Runit takes care of the init process. * xbps: a fast and simple package management software, that also resolves dependencies. * Clean…

Looking into VoidLinux very much for the reasons you listed. So far, from my playing with void on a VM, it feels like the "OpenBSD" of the Linux world. I love OpenBSD (using it for pf Firewall, DNS and DHCP at work) but I seriously doubt how it'd work in a laptop. My concerns are power consumption, and drivers. Even VoidLinux with the latest linux kernel gives me trouble to enable audio. I really want my laptop to have audio, Wifi, Sleep/resume, web browser working properly. You think OpenBSD might be up to it?
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