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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by user5994461 »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

>>> I know everyone called it after Jobs stepped out of the leadership chair, but is that really what's responsible for the decline? Can an apple insider comment here?

It's simple. There is noone to whip developers when they ship major bugs. Quality goes down.

Tyrannic leadership has its pros and cons. Try to imagine the internal tantrum after the company shipped an update and it crashed steve's iphone.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by azinman2 »

mnm1 wrote: post #100
baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

Exactly. Sierra was bad enough requiring a bunch of expensive software upgrades (vmware). There hasn't been any difference in os x in years. My MacBook Pro never slept properly and needs to be hard booted in all of the four past os x releases so there's no need to upgrade even to get the bugs. I wonder if I'll ever own a laptop that sleeps properly, but at this point I doubt that just like I doubt anyone can write a…

Your mbp doesn’t sleep properly? I haven’t heard of such a thing. What all do you have running on it?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by Joeri »

timdeneau wrote: post #133
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

The fix: stop the annual release cycle. There isn't a customer demand for it, and it’s a hassle for basically everyone. The issues in 10.12.x get fixed with 10.13, but 10.13 has the same amount of different issues, so it’s a wash. There’s no stable version anymore.

There’s no stable version anymore.

I'm still running El Capitan, and not having any issues.

Admittedly, I would have upgraded had my mac been eligible, because I'm just that sort of person, but there's nothing in Sierra or High Sierra that would make a meaningful difference to me.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by nofilter »

mschuster91 wrote: post #83
valuearb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows has a monopoly lock on it's customers. They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would) so they keep buying it. Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs, they can a) still buy newly manufactured old style MBPs, or b) not upgrade Yet they've bought the touchbar MBPs in massive volumes. I've heard lots of anecdotal complaints about the touchbars, the keyboards. But I've also hea…

> Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs They have, if they want anything comparable in performance to the Windows world (even though 16GB RAM tops is just laughable when there are many 64GB laptops in the Windows world, and I guess 128GB is not far around the corner...).

This reminds me of how OnePlus 5 (Android) sticks 8gb of ram in it, and is as fast as iPhone 7 which has 2gb of ram. Specs don't mean shit if the software that utilizes the hardware is crap.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by reubenswartz »

timdeneau wrote: post #133
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

The fix: stop the annual release cycle. There isn't a customer demand for it, and it’s a hassle for basically everyone. The issues in 10.12.x get fixed with 10.13, but 10.13 has the same amount of different issues, so it’s a wash. There’s no stable version anymore.

The problem is the OS X annual release cycle is tied to the iOS annual release cycle, which is tied to the annual iPhone upgrade cycle, which is the core part of Apple's business. I wish there was a way to update a module to get whatever iOS-tied goodies Apple wants to offer, without overhauling the whole Mac OS.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by chowyuncat »

valuearb wrote: post #104
goldmouth wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2017, VMware fusion causes mine to constantly freeze.

Well, i think you’ve identified the problem. I consider vmware fusion skin to a virus and would delete it the moment my employer allowed.

It still has the most stable implementation for Linux development when compared to VirtualBox or Parallels. Docker for Mac is great for user space dev, but I haven’t figured out how to kernel debug yet.

Two recent showstoppers, when I tried to switch from Fusion:

The shared folder driver for VB will panic a Linux guest if a shared folder is accessed from a multithreaded compilation.

The shared folder driver for Parallels will panic a Linux guest if you load a kernel module from a shared folder.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by tolien »

jarym wrote: post #124
valuearb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) You can still buy a new 2015 MBP with a processer nearly as fast as the 2017 models and 16gb ram. But the vast majority have chosen the touchbar MBP by pure preference. 2) Laptops with more memory don’t have the same transfer speed or power efficiency.

If the MBP without TouchBar that they are currently selling came with the same SSD/CPU options and 32Gb of RAM I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I also know I'm far from alone in that. Argument #2 is parrotting what Apple said. Laptops that get smaller and smaller tend not have the same power efficiency either. Blaming 'more memory' having lower power efficiency is a weak argument when you look at the whole picture. As for…

> Argument #2 is parrotting what Apple said

Weak argument or no, it is demonstrably true - the first Intel CPU to support LPDDR4 will be Cannon Lake, expected some time next year. The part that's missing is that Apple could have put a bigger battery in a device that was either the same size as the previous model (or anywhere between the thickness of the previous and current models), or offered customers the choice of trading RAM for battery life.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by mberning »

People don't seem to remember or appreciate they quality of pre-iCloud versions of osx and ios. I remember buying Snow Leopard in a cardboard box from Microcenter for $20. It had almost no truly new features. Everything was focused on making things work better and faster. And it showed. I would gladly pay $20 or $50 or $100 or whatever Apple wanted to charge for a true bug fix version of osx.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

I have an Amazon "Smart Home Consultant" coming in a few hours to help me wire up my Echos and figure out what else I need to buy to get a seamless Amazon Music experience in my house. Bye-bye iTunes and iCloud. The Airports and Apple TV are already gone, replaced by luma, echo and roku.

Next is a linux laptop instead of MBP. Works out about $500 cheaper for similar spec, or same price for much better spec. And they're upgradeable, so not having to buy another MBP in two years time means I can save probably another $1500 over four years. Even the ultrathin 13" has one NVMe and one 2.5" bay. I'll be getting a 17", like apple doesn't make anymore. Only this one has two NVMe bays and two 2.5" bays. Last straw was my 2011 MBP 17" had video problems (reboots under gpu load) and they refused to fix it. Finally this year it developed the pyjama stripes, and now they recognize it has a problem, but oh dear, its out of warranty since Dec 2016.

There are five apple computers in this house. They are the last.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by breatheoften »

timdeneau wrote: post #133
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

The fix: stop the annual release cycle. There isn't a customer demand for it, and it’s a hassle for basically everyone. The issues in 10.12.x get fixed with 10.13, but 10.13 has the same amount of different issues, so it’s a wash. There’s no stable version anymore.

I disagree with this assertion 100%. They should keep making investment in and improvement to the yearly release process and build the knowledge necessary to do this with fewer errors...
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