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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by m3kw9 »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Nice blanket statement, i don’t think you speak for any die hard Apple fans here. I’m a die hard fan, and I still use all their native apps. I’m not sure how you say they are bloated, notes is probably the best in class of notes apps out there. The calendars and reminder features are stripped down to a fault, but still useful because it just works for me. The stability of the software is getting worse, but with any issues, people are 10x more sensetive than other platforms that have all the same issues.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by bproven »

Cshelton wrote: post #32
baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

Same here, I'm holding out. You probably already know just how excited I was to hear they will combine Mac OS and IOS into one OS. I can't wait for all the new bu..err.. features we'll be getting!! \s How's Linux doing with battery life on a laptop these days? I think my 2014 MacBook may be my last.

Pretty good for me:

My battery life is around 10-12 hours (watching video drops to about 6-7 hours) I did the following out of the box:

- Use the Intel graphics exclusively

- TLP

- Powertop adjustments

I also have the screen set at a low pretty brightness level as I find the 9550 screen pretty bright (too bright) at mid-high levels.

SPECS:

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Ubuntu 17.10

Dell 9550 XPS

i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz

non-4K screen (doing this will really save your battery)

16GB RAM

Intel® HD Graphics 530 + NVidia

512GB SSD

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by anonova »

sarreph wrote: post #19

For those with Nvidia GPUs, may I suggest (as per previous comments[0]) that you download the Nvidia BETA drivers[1] for your system. (Disclaimer: at your peril — and for your relevant device... This can be hard to figure-out as what your Mac says your GPU is, in my case a 750M GT, is actually classed as a GeForce GTX 680 :') -- what I've linked to) Seems to have done a decent job at patching up some of the more seri…

Wow, thanks for this suggestion! I was having some major graphical issues on a 2013 Macbook Pro with a GT 750M to the point where I was disabling GPU hardware acceleration in everything, the worst being flashes of an old framebuffer when trying to playback video. The NVIDIA drivers definitely seem way better so far.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by jarym »

valuearb wrote: post #108
mschuster91 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs They have, if they want anything comparable in performance to the Windows world (even though 16GB RAM tops is just laughable when there are many 64GB laptops in the Windows world, and I guess 128GB is not far around the corner...).

1) You can still buy a new 2015 MBP with a processer nearly as fast as the 2017 models and 16gb ram. But the vast majority have chosen the touchbar MBP by pure preference. 2) Laptops with more memory don’t have the same transfer speed or power efficiency.

If the MBP without TouchBar that they are currently selling came with the same SSD/CPU options and 32Gb of RAM I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I also know I'm far from alone in that.

Argument #2 is parrotting what Apple said. Laptops that get smaller and smaller tend not have the same power efficiency either. Blaming 'more memory' having lower power efficiency is a weak argument when you look at the whole picture. As for transfer speeds, its not true that more memory = lower transfer speed; it depends on a number of other factors (type of memory, clock rate..)

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by itomato »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #66

Why is Apple software so terrible these days? They have enough money to hire the very best programmers, why are they skimping on the most important part of their company? It's really gotten very evident that the quality at Apple is slipping big time, a lot of resters-and-vesters instead of people who love their job. Their debacle a few weeks ago with passwords, etc, and then tripping over themselves two more times in…

They have lost their way.

Mobile should be a separate brand, or perhaps the other way around.

They're all about content consumption, at the expense of creators.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by jasonlotito »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #66

Why is Apple software so terrible these days? They have enough money to hire the very best programmers, why are they skimping on the most important part of their company? It's really gotten very evident that the quality at Apple is slipping big time, a lot of resters-and-vesters instead of people who love their job. Their debacle a few weeks ago with passwords, etc, and then tripping over themselves two more times in…

> Why is Apple software so terrible these days?

This is nothing new. This is status quo. It's been going on for years. Even when Jobs was around. Thinking it wasn't happening is akin to someone now saying, "I don't see any issues."

> They have enough money to hire the very best programmers, why are they skimping on the most important part of their company?

Ask them why they colluded with other tech companies to keep salaries low and thereby affect an entire industry. They've chosen not to invest in their developers.

> It's really gotten very evident that the quality at Apple is slipping big time, a lot of resters-and-vesters instead of people who love their job.

Again, this is nothing new. Apple has a long history of failures and horrible software that people conveniently forget about as time goes on.

> such a rich company who can afford the very, very best.

Again, they worked hard to ensure they don't have to pay it. Enough so that they were taken to court over it, and lost.

But don't believe for a minute that other solutions are somehow better. Or that other companies don't benefit from Apple's collusion, even if they didn't take part.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by bproven »

valuearb wrote: post #62
jarym wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? Windows had been the best selling Operating System for a great many years. It turned into a pile of turd and continued to be the best selling OS.

Windows has a monopoly lock on it's customers. They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would) so they keep buying it. Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs, they can a) still buy newly manufactured old style MBPs, or b) not upgrade Yet they've bought the touchbar MBPs in massive volumes. I've heard lots of anecdotal complaints about the touchbars, the keyboards. But I've also hea…

I agree somewhat here - however I'll counter with the fact that Apple has a monopoly lock on Unix desktops that work well. I'm guessing a good part of Mac sales are on the engineering/operations side (devs, sys admins, etc). If there was a real competitor to that (e.g. Linux alternative OS that had a consistent UI, great user experience paired with "just works" hardware" etc) Apple would be in trouble today. Especially with all the hiccups lately...

BTW I'm not saying Linux is not an alternative - I run it on my laptop - but getting it tweaked just right, dealing with some of the eccentricities of the desktop environment (gnome I'm looking at you) make it less than grand for a great out of the box experience.

However I will say it is worlds better than it was 5, 10 , 15 etc. years ago...

Finally, in regards to the touchbar - you really are not given a choice. If you want a powerful box you MUST get touchbar. I wonder what the adoption would be if it was an a la carte option?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by scarlac »

okket wrote: post #12

FWTW, Late 2013 15" MBP: daily use, no problems with High Sierra

Same setup, different story: 2013 15" MBP, nVidia GT 750M, 16 GB RAM. After upgrading I got intermittent mini lock-ups (key presses, clicks, etc. would queue up). Happens in all apps regardless of what I'm doing. It felt like having a dying HDD instead of an SSD.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

malz wrote: post #118
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Apple makes 90% of their revenue from iOS devices. The answer to "why the decline" is it's not material to their business or stock market performance.

But, iOS 11 is a dog. A buggy, wet, smelly one. So while most of their income comes from iOS devices, this doesn't in itself explain the decline in quality for Macs because it has been a decline across the board.
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