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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by akulbe » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:07 PM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #15

EGreg wrote: post #9

Can we have a conversation about how it can be that Apple, which used to proudly advertise on "It Just Works", is sitting on billions of dollars in cash AND YET, at the same time, iOS and MacOS experience some major regressions with every new release? I mean, Google has overtaken Apple in UI and UX user satisfaction and usability. Steve Jobs would be rolling around in his grave. Ever since the "skeumorphism" debate,…

I won’t downvote you, but this are just a bunch of random assertions. I’ve upgraded to High Sierra, no problems. Done all the ios updates, no problems. Apple was constantly dealing with quality issues while Jobs was alive. Remember AntennaGate? Apple has more products and customers than ever now, meaning more anecdotal complaints than ever. And no one uses the Mac App store, so no problems.

At current count, there are 718 people that have reported having these issues with instability on High Sierra. Are you going to dismiss all of them, as quickly as you're dismissing the person you responded to?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by 27182818284 » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:14 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #84

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

> Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices When ? Seriously when. I have used MacOS since 4.1 and never remember a period where there was the case. Especially during this phase of the development lifecycle i.e. we have only just had the 2nd point release update. I worked at Apple pre and post Jobs and nothing changed. Because he never managed any of the teams directly an…

Obviously responses are going to be pretty dependent on the person. For me personally the peak was Snow Leopard, then it plateaued for a bit, and then I feel like it has been downhill starting with Mavericks.

Snow Leopard was so good I used to evangelize and talk about how great an OS it was with people who probably didn't know OS stood for operating system. It was that good. Now, heck, I haven't even installed the latest because I hear nothing but bad and in the on-stage demos there isn't a single thing that makes me think, "ooh I want that" It obviously has a product-market fit with a lot of people, I'm just not one of them. I'll eventually update just to make future updates easier on myself, but I have no pressing need.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by _Simon » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:14 PM UTC

The sheer volume of these type of post is beginning to smell a lot like astroturfing. The faux outrage is comical.

No issues with any Apple device with the lastest software for myself or anyone I know. I can only assume that these are either edge cases or unmitigated hyperbole.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by bromuro » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:15 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #84

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

> Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices When ? Seriously when. I have used MacOS since 4.1 and never remember a period where there was the case. Especially during this phase of the development lifecycle i.e. we have only just had the 2nd point release update. I worked at Apple pre and post Jobs and nothing changed. Because he never managed any of the teams directly an…

I also remember Mac OS / OS X having lot of problems years ago. Well, actually much more than now, since the last 5/6 releases always have run without any issue on my Macs. Worst machine ever was the cube :) I don’t see any decline, I actually would say things have improved a lot (I’m a Mac user since the early 2000)

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by briandear » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:19 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #9

Can we have a conversation about how it can be that Apple, which used to proudly advertise on "It Just Works", is sitting on billions of dollars in cash AND YET, at the same time, iOS and MacOS experience some major regressions with every new release? I mean, Google has overtaken Apple in UI and UX user satisfaction and usability. Steve Jobs would be rolling around in his grave. Ever since the "skeumorphism" debate,…

Google wins on UI? Material design where you have no idea what an icon does until you hover over it? How UI elements are hidden and, if you don’t know where they already are, you have to hunt to find things? Is Google Hangouts and example tou are referring to? Apple crushes Google on UI.. there’s hardly a worthy debate there.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by siteshwar » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:22 PM UTC

Reading recent discussions around Apple reminds me of this story[1]. I will not be surprised if marketing people are the ones who are affecting software quality.

[1] http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/jokepg/joke_19970213_01.txt

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by skc » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:22 PM UTC

_Simon wrote: post #93

The sheer volume of these type of post is beginning to smell a lot like astroturfing. The faux outrage is comical. No issues with any Apple device with the lastest software for myself or anyone I know. I can only assume that these are either edge cases or unmitigated hyperbole.

Heh, now you know how those of us with smooth Windows experiences feel.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by kitsunesoba » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:23 PM UTC

This definitely seems like a YMMV sort of deal. I’ve been using High Sierra and iOS 11 across several devices and haven’t encountered any issues that are more serious than minor annoyances. 2015 15” MBP, Late 2016 15” MBP, self built Hackintosh tower, iPhone X, iPad Pro 9.7”, iPhone 7+. All are more or less smooth with very occasional hiccups.

I also tend to avoid third party apps where possible, particularly the more ungainly ones. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by dchuk » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:25 PM UTC

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Anecdotally, I've been running High Sierra Betas for a few months now and have experienced zero issues. I'm also a die hard apple fan that uses all of the built in apps except for Music (I prefer Spotify).

One data point.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by mnm1 » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:27 PM UTC

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

Exactly. Sierra was bad enough requiring a bunch of expensive software upgrades (vmware). There hasn't been any difference in os x in years. My MacBook Pro never slept properly and needs to be hard booted in all of the four past os x releases so there's no need to upgrade even to get the bugs. I wonder if I'll ever own a laptop that sleeps properly, but at this point I doubt that just like I doubt anyone can write a proper file system sync between host and guest vms. I guess some things are just impossible to solve yet, but I'm sure ai will solve all of this in two weeks once it takes over, except Apple's quality problems which seem intractable. /s