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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Same here, I'm holding out. You probably already know just how excited I was to hear they will combine Mac OS and IOS into one OS. I can't wait for all the new bu..err.. features we'll be getting!! \s How's Linux doing with battery life on a laptop these days? I think my 2014 MacBook may be my last.

I have a Dell Precision 5510 with Skylake i7, 32gb RAM, NVMe I get about 10 hours of battery life on Fedora 27. Not too bad at all.

With a GPU?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

My avoidance of their built in apps is just simply that I don't want to be locked in to the apple eco system.

Apple has always took a closed approach to their software and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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The mediocre MBP with touchbar is the best selling MBP ever.

So what? Windows had been the best selling Operating System for a great many years. It turned into a pile of turd and continued to be the best selling OS.

The 'what' is the fact that this doesn't give management an incentive to improve.

"It's our best selling product ever" easily trumps "...But a lot of people hate the software and aren't really sure about the hardware."

Apple won't change until the entire edifice comes crashing down in some horrendous techno-corporate train wreck - possibly one where lives are lost.

Cook doesn't have the imagination or the empathy to understand the user POV. As far as he's concerned, as long as the company is making money everything is fine, even if it's bleeding goodwill from every shiny white polycarbonate pore.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Not so long ago, I use to justify to myself that: * Mac is good hardware and software I can count on. Just pay and focus on your real job. * Apple cares about privacy very publicly, so they are probably not selling my data or doing anything stupid with it. Although, there is no way for me to know. * My work is buying the hardware for me. Why bother spending time building one that I need to maintain so much. Get the o…

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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

>Apple went from building fantastically reliable software

When was this?

> Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated

That has been the case for as long as Apple has made calendar, music and email apps. People have complained about Mail since the first version (it used to be that most "die hard apple fans" were using Entourage). I hardly need to mention how unpopular iTunes has always been.

The Jobs revisionism every time an Apple product has a bug is extremely tiresome. The famously hated 'skeuomorphic' version of iCal was apparently a specific request from Jobs[1]. The single worst GUI control I've ever had the displeasure to use was the old 'thumbwheel' volume control in Quicktime Player. On the hardware side look at the puck mouse. Those kinds of things were worse than mere bugs in my opinion because they were deliberate and reflected the design philosophy of company at the time (or the inability of anybody working there to tell Jobs to fuck off and stop sabotaging products), and lasted for years before they were replaced.

[1] https://www.cultofmac.com/189707/steve-jobs-himself-is-respo...

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Have to agree, my biggest concern for putting it off was APFS so I waited until no one complained about it for long enough thinking 'everything else should still be ok' - big mistake. Stay away until Schiller praises the 'stability' release at 2018 Developer Conference.

I think it’s APFS that’s the cause of my biggest frustration, but I’ve not seen anyone else complain about. I normally run with about 50gb free space. After three to four days, I’m normally down to about 3gb and nothing will get it to show back up, other than a reboot. I’ve even run a test which supports this - downloaded 35gb of files, deleted them and emptied the trash. Same thing... space is missing till I reboot.

I converted main partition on hard disk to APFS and now it's very slow. I know I shouldn't use it on hard disks, but installer (which updates 10.12 to 10.13) crashed otherwise, leaving system unbootable (booting to installer again). After converting root partition to APFS installer was able to complete installation.

Not sure, however, that APFS is the reason of slowdown, maybe other filesystems are slow too in this version. FS cache, however, still works, and after warmup system becomes fairly responsive (on 16 Gb of RAM).

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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I truly think this is an issue with the touchbar/usbc MBPs, less an issue with HighSierra. My MBP crashed all the time during wake w/ external monitor. Had weird video playback choppiness that required restart, TouchID profile going away on its own... This all occured before upgrade to high sierra and the issues persist with high sierra.

Oh, interesting. I recently upgraded to a touchbar mac, and I've found that it often crashes on waking if I have an external monitor plugged in. I've learned to unplug my monitor before trying to wake it up. Thought it was just me...

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

Have to agree, my biggest concern for putting it off was APFS so I waited until no one complained about it for long enough thinking 'everything else should still be ok' - big mistake. Stay away until Schiller praises the 'stability' release at 2018 Developer Conference.

Man, oh man, do I hate Phil Schiller. It's like someone followed the steps in Weird Science but used smarmy marketing copy instead of pictures of models and scientists.

Phil Schiller is the kind of guy who would fart in your face and then proceed to spend ten minutes telling you why soon everyone will be laughing at the fact that they used to breathe fart-free air.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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post #72

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

My avoidance of their built in apps is just simply that I don't want to be locked in to the apple eco system. Apple has always took a closed approach to their software and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

I feel like it might have been the right direction a few decades ago. There was a lot of shovel ware and crappy software that was produced. I think they had the right idea to lock down the software availability have better quality control.

It's very similar to video game companies in the late 80's/ early 90's. Atari had a big problem with really bad games, and people lost faith in the quality of games. Nintendo started giving their games the "Nintendo Seal of Approval" to prove to consumers that the games had been thoroughly checked for bugs and such.

I can see why Apple would take the same direction, but we've come a long way with software development, especially with the rise of open source development.

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