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India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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I see a large number of bright Indian developers now staying back in country because its almost impossible to get H1B visas (that was actually the case even without Trump and now its getting much worse). This has started interesting trends in India. All of the sudden, now there is VC culture shaping up and I'm seeing lots of Indian developers doing their own startups. Indian newspapers frequently are putting spotligh…

All of the startups started before Trump.

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Actually in Philippines pretty much everyone speaks a quite understandable English compared to the average Indian that thinks to be speaking a perfect English while the reality is quite different.

"Understandable" to you, based on where you live and what dialect of English you speak :)

Any Spanish accents or word muddling will be much more understandable to anyone living in the United States than an Indian accent or word confusion.

This isn’t helped by the fact that Indians in tech in America rarely speak English with each other.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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I see a large number of bright Indian developers now staying back in country because its almost impossible to get H1B visas (that was actually the case even without Trump and now its getting much worse). This has started interesting trends in India. All of the sudden, now there is VC culture shaping up and I'm seeing lots of Indian developers doing their own startups. Indian newspapers frequently are putting spotligh…

At the risk of being downvoted until my comment is dead like below, I have to say I agree with muninn_. This is a great thing for India, and it's really unfortunate that the US has been poaching academic and technical talent to their own advantage, and the disadvantage of less well off countries for so long. The brain drain of the US (and the UK and Germany to a much smaller extent) is a real phenomena, and it's especially damaging for developing countries.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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Yeah. Automation makes many webdev jobs redundant. Let's say you have a restaurant or something. Before, you had to hire somebody to host/design your website. Now, Google/SquareSpace/Wix will do that for you. A lot of these sites also have payment options built in. Sure, those sites you make automatically won't be so flashy as a personalized one. But, realistically, if you're a business, what you need is the location…

and will those sites rank properly in search engines

I think for all three, the basic SEO stuff is actually taken care of for you as well. I had zero interest in the services until I read that it meant I wouldn't have to consult yet another seo guide written within the last six months because I wanted to stand up something new.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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I see a large number of bright Indian developers now staying back in country because its almost impossible to get H1B visas (that was actually the case even without Trump and now its getting much worse). This has started interesting trends in India. All of the sudden, now there is VC culture shaping up and I'm seeing lots of Indian developers doing their own startups. Indian newspapers frequently are putting spotligh…

This may raise freelancing industry in India as well.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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That's my secret tell to see if someone is a good, experienced developer or not. I've never met a good, experienced developer who was a slow typist.

Depends what you mean by fast. Anecdotally, I learned to use a computer well before anyone thought to teach me to type. I still type "incorrectly" (basically use only a few fingers, with my hands moving more than they should). So I am definitely slower than someone who is trained to type correctly. But, I would like to think that I am both good and experienced. I picked up my bad typing habits while learning to progr…

I taught myself how to type too just by doing it as a kid. My home key position is much more natural (hands slanted) and that probably saved me from carpel tunnel all these years.

By fast, I mean not two finger typing and can probably touch type. You know a slow typist when you see it. It's like being behind a slow person on the highway, it's excruciating.

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I've had opposite experience. In my case, they were sharp but they were also toxic to be working in a team. So, we had to move our R&D centre to Poland.

> but they were also toxic to be working in a team What do you mean?

I'm not the person you replied to, but I suspect they tend to be very headstrong and don't have a problem telling you that you are wrong with vigor. Then are willing to argue the point for an hour or two.

If you are not accustomed to it, it can be a shock, but it certainly can lead to finding the best solution.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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I see a large number of bright Indian developers now staying back in country because its almost impossible to get H1B visas (that was actually the case even without Trump and now its getting much worse). This has started interesting trends in India. All of the sudden, now there is VC culture shaping up and I'm seeing lots of Indian developers doing their own startups. Indian newspapers frequently are putting spotligh…

At the risk of being downvoted until my comment is dead like below, I have to say I agree with muninn_. This is a great thing for India, and it's really unfortunate that the US has been poaching academic and technical talent to their own advantage, and the disadvantage of less well off countries for so long. The brain drain of the US (and the UK and Germany to a much smaller extent) is a real phenomena, and it's espe…

It's not like Indian developers are being kidnapped and shipped over on a boat to the U.S. Everyone who comes to the U.S. does so on their own volition, jumping through crazy immigration hoops. It's a free market for jobs, and if in the past Indian (or for that matter Chinese and other countries with a brain drain) companies couldn't complete, well that's their own fault.

Re: India’s IT industry laid off more than 56k employees this year

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I see a large number of bright Indian developers now staying back in country because its almost impossible to get H1B visas (that was actually the case even without Trump and now its getting much worse). This has started interesting trends in India. All of the sudden, now there is VC culture shaping up and I'm seeing lots of Indian developers doing their own startups. Indian newspapers frequently are putting spotligh…

There are still plenty of H1Bs in tech in the US. It is true though that applications from India are very hard now, but that’s mostly because there was a lot of fraud and corruption in that space with Indian outsourcing firms up to no good. When you consider that the excess scrutiny is more than justified.

As for higher end work being done in India, I don’t think anyone doubts there are highly skilled people in India or that there are examples of successful startups, but that’s not where the Indian economy is in regards to tech (hence why the jobs are shrinking). The question is if the Indian tech economy can shift its export product away from low value-add work and that’s a very hard move to make—both because, today, the momentum is in the wrong direction and western firms have had very bad experiences with Indian outsourcing and thus even if they do outsource higher-end work it will likely go to other more up and coming countries in tech.

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